shooting shotgun into the air on the 4th?

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Bird Bombs are the way to go, although they will probably attract the attention of LEOs - they are considerably louder than just shooting off a shotgun. The ones I'm thinking of are like a bottle rocket - they go up a ways and then make a loud kaboom. No shot or bullets of any kind - they are just noisemakers.

Used to have a neighbor that would fire one off now and then - scare the crap out of ya.
 
I just load up 100 gr of pyrodex in my CVA 54 cal Hawken and pack in 2 squares of TP. Pack it in and cap it, then let her rip. Nice loud boom and biodegradeable confetti with no chance of anyone getting hurt. I aim it about 45 degrees. Been doing this for many years with no problems.
 
Don't shoot your shotgun into the air on the 4th. It is irresponsible, and the falling pellets could hurt someone. Don't be like the middle-easterners who shoot their guns in the air, routinely, without regard to where the bullets are landing (ignorance is bliss?) Let's all grow up, people. If you want to shoot your shotgun, make sure you have a good backstop - period. Thank you.
 
I may shoot some clays tomorrow afternoon, but no bullets will go up from any of my guns.

Into the dirt. Thats where they belong.
 
I might be boring in this regard, but I won't fire blanks or rounds into targets because I know it encourages others who hear it to fire into the air.

When others hear gunshots going off and everything is fine they want to join in on the fun.
Except the picture in the minds of most people firing in celebration is into the air. So if they join in, it will likely be by shooting into the air.
The effect can even have that impact months later, I have seen people hear lots of gunfire on New Years for example and decide they are going to shoot on the next holiday that is suitable.

You can say you have no responsibility for other people's actions, but hearing celebratory gunshots really does encourage more people to go get out guns and fire in celebration too, but they won't have been a part of the this conversation.

Almost all media has trained people that the way to celebrate shooting is by firing into the air, something that kills random people each year. So you may fire into a safe target, but the guy down the street you pumped up to join in will not.
 
There were a woman and a girl killed here in Denver on NYE by a single .44 bullet, fired at a streetlight by a drunk. He was too stupid to see there was a house behind the streetlight. The bullet went through a wall, the woman's head, and into the girl's chest. Happened this Jan. 1st, 2008.
 
If you must partake of this particular type of reverie, there are things called BLANKS.

Blanks are safe but possibly still not legal in city limits. It's worth checking what your local laws say. It's usually something about "discharging a firearm," and nothing about whether it's live ammo or blanks.
 
Someone around here has a full-auto something that they shoot every 4th. A Ranger was once telling us about some sensors they have that pinpoint gunfire and I asked him about the machine gun (everybody has heard it) He said they know who it is, the guy has a permit for the gun, and he shoots blanks. Wouldn't even tell me the type of gun.
 
terminal velocity would not be the same as mass would not be the same.

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Nonetheless, not a good idea.
 
Common Sense Plee:banghead:zzzzzz

He said bird shot in the country didnt he?

Bird shot is meant to be shot at birds. Birds generaly fly in the air so you have to aim up to shoot them. Jeeeeeez:banghead::banghead:

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone being injured by falling birdshot and probably never will.

It is safe enough. Just not politicaly correct on The High Road.

I think I will probably shoot my BP with 100 gns of pyro and tp. Thanks for the idea.

I dont see a problem with birdshot at all:) Just be safe. Probably more likely to hurt some one loading than shooting so just be careful.
 
Just take a razor knife and cut the end off the birdshot shell, pour out the shot, and fire it with just the plastic wadding.
 
<I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone being injured by falling birdshot and probably never will.>

I got sandblasted in the side of the face by falling birdshot when playing paintball next to a private game bird preserve. It stung a bit. However, I was very glad I was wearing eye protection. Without the protection, I might have injured that eye.

Don't fire any gun in the air to celebrate. We're smarter, more responsible than that.

Happy Independence Day!
 
not unless your out in the woods, at a range, or hunting

Nope...never.

I was just at an indoor range in Macon, GA where somebody fired some shots into the air on New Years Eve last year. Two 9mm bullets came down through the metal roof about 10 feet apart and impacted the ground near the main counter where both guys typically stand.

Both 9mm rounds were about 30% impacted on the nose at about a 45 degree angle. Had someone in the store been hit, they would've most likely been killed.
There was still a tremendous amount of energy in those rounds when they came down.

If you're that set on shooting in the air, use blanks.
 
they all fall at the same speed regardless of mass.
No they have the same force exerted on thier mass. Since we are not in a vacuum the most important factor in the speed attained by a falling item is air resistance.

Denser items (like lead being one of the most dense) and shapes they reduce drag will fall much faster.

All items have the same speed added per second inititialy, but once they get going the less dense or less aerodynamic shapes have thier drag begin to slow them more than gravity speeds them up. They are at most of thier max speed very quickly.
A piece of lead however will continue to gain lots of speed for many more seconds before wind drag begins to slow it significantly.
The larger the piece the less surface area per amount of mass and even higher velocity will be attained.

Now shape is where it gets tricky as it effects its Ballistic Coeffecient. But the falling BC is very different than the BC of a fired round.
A sphere is simple, it goes up and comes down with the same resistance relative to its speed and the BC of the sphere is constant.
A bullet however goes up stabilized with a very high BC. On its return it can stay stablized and return base first like some do and attain extremely high velocity. Or it can tumble and attain a lower velocity because the tumbling down increases the resistance as some of its time is spent sideways.


Now all of this only the case going straight up and down. At an angle an even higher velocity is achieved because some of the original velocity is retained.

Now the funny thing about bullets going straight up into the air is that the energy of the falling round can be to a totaly different scale than the energy of the round going up.
What I mean is a more powerful round fired up can in some cases be less powerful returning. Heavier rounds will have more energy returning. So something like a shotgun slug will return with far more deadly energy than even a rifle bullet that had twice the energy when fired but is much lighter.
This assumes both projectiles go high enough that on return they have had many seconds to speed up( pretty much all bullets)
So many pistol rounds can actualy be just as deadly and sometimes deadlier than some rifle rounds in this situation because they have a higher weight, and return to earth with more energy even with less fall time. They are still fairly close though because the rifle rounds have almost twice the time to fall.

Terminal velocity is rarely reached, it is approached. Most of terminal velocity is reached within several seconds for most items, most of the remainder not long after, the final small percentage takes much longer.
So after a point significant increased fall time only adds slightly more speed. The faster the round goes, the more air resistance is created to slow it down. Eventualy the two would become equal and that would be the terminal velocity outside of a vacuum. However even the air density is different at different altitudes, and thier is also different crosswinds at different altititudes, so there is no exact answer, just a good approximation.



Just like while sky diving you can slow down or speed up by changing your shape, the air resistance plays the most important role in the terminal velocity. Put your arms and legs out and you are very unaerodynamic falling flat with high drag. Tuck in your arms and legs and go into a dive and you reduce your air resistance significantly and can go much faster. Yet your weight or mass never changed.

watched a Mythbusters episode where they tested the terminal velocity of different bullets and it was only enough to cause a bruise if it hit you.
Mythbusters was very wrong because they used the wrong formula to calculate the right terminal velocity of a lead bullet, especialy one falling base first still stabilized like many come down fired straight up.
So thier test firing at the pig head for example was at a significantly lower velocity than it should have been.
 
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Zoogster, isn't it also about total atomic mass though? I would imagine the more protons. neutrons, and electrons there are, the more the gravitational pull of the earth can affect the item. Shrinking this down:

Therefore, 1 atom of Aluminum with an atomic mass of 26.98 would have a slower terminal velocity than 1 atom of lead with an atomic weight of 207.2

right? You talk about drag, and sure that effects it as ρ in the above posted formula represents the density of what the object is traveling through (air in this case).... but I tend to think that atomic weight affecting overall effect of the gravitational pull as being more of a factor.
 
Ehhh

What I mean is a more powerful round fired up can in some cases be less powerful returning...
Any round fired straight up into the air will come down with less velocity that it started with (and thus less energy too).

Pistol bullets are crappier ballistically speaking. Less of their velocity is converted into potential energy on the way up, and thus there is less to convert on they way down into kinetic energy. Rifle bullets in theory should be more deadly.

I have fired target shotgun loads up in the air such that they rain down on me. They don't do a darn thing.
 
Blow a crater in your yard if you wanna shoot badly enough... only if you live outside city limits, that is.
 
It just isn't very High Road to shoot a firearm into the air in a populated area. Think of how your anti 2nd Amendment neighbors will react to your "celebration". Don't do anything that will tarnish the image of responsible firearms owners.

As previously stated in this thread, many (most?) cities are able to accurately locate gunfire by triangulation. There's a good chance you'll spend some time and money in court (and maybe jail) for violation of one or more city ordinances; how High Road is that? :scrutiny:
 
Shooting into the air

It is illegal to discharge a weapon into the air unless you are shooting at game birds or shooting clays, use your head stupid.

Sounds like you need to go to a hunter safety course, even my 12-year old is smarter than that!!!
 
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