These people, if I may be loose with the definition, want success. Of some sort. Really, of any sort.
I think the part that hasn't gotten out yet is that you can half-a__ suicide. They can pump your stomach or send you to the ER and give you 14 units of blood while they patch up your brachial arteries. Once you put a bullet in there, you're changing things permanently. It's no longer, "Oh, he's so artsy, I heard the attempted suicide twice".. it's "John was cool til he blew out his frontal cortex. Now he sits around and craps himself all day."
That's where I draw the line. I don't care if your moral orientation is different than mine, so long as you have some sort of moral orientation. People with none should not have guns, because this is what happens.
The difference between me and an anti is that the anti says, ultimately, we're all like that.