Omaha NE mall shooting - JUST THE FACTS PLEASE

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I wonder if he openly carried the rifle into the mall or had it concealed under a long coat. Many years ago in Phoenix a guy was walking through the mall parking lot with a shotgun (apparently to go in and kill his ex-girlfriend). An openly-carrying citizen confronted him in the parking lot, and ended up shooting the shotgun owner. It barely made the news.
 
Posted by CDignition
Glorifying and reporting on things like this need to stop.. the Driveby media will harp on it for a week easy...This in itself gives these suicidal maniacs the power they need to convey their message(Whatever that is). I wonder how many murders there was in LA yesterday..Ill bet 6 or more in one day...

Media is a root cause of things like this happening...
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My Brother, you nailed it right on.......another thing AK or SKS, what does it matter? The antis don't care, they just want something to clamor about. Tell you this much, think of the difference a couple of off-duty cops or CCW citizens in the mall would have done. Yes I am a cop but I believe in RKBA by good citizens. All these stupid laws restricting guns only affect those who can legally buy and carry them, not the criminals and the unstable ones out there.
 
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He wrapped it up in a hoodie, according to the Police Chief. Of course, according to the PC, it was a 7.66mm..........
 
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I agree,for better or worse " assault rifle" in popular parlance is any military derived semi-automatic and it really doesn't matter if it has a bayonet lug,pistol grip or other AWB listed part not.Since it's largely semantics wrapped in sensationalism,I don't play a part in that peeing match.I also don't care if people call magazines clips nor do I go into hysterics that a revolver is a handgun but isn't a pistol or other such triviality.

MOST people could not tell the difference between an SKS and an AK-47 but most wouldn't even know what an SKS is to begin with.A minority might know what an AK is and might possibly come up with that as to what they saw.LEO's are often not too up on guns,even ones as ubiquitous as the SKS;I've seen one misidentified on COPS.As to calling it 7.66,could have been a simple matter of a miscue.

It's irrelevant to me what he used as the gun did not commit the crime and against unarmed,panicking packed crowds of shoppers,about the only real difference in what he has chosen to use might have been a rimfire.As for jumping on new laws,there are no more ways to keep someone like him from obtaining a gun than someone without a drivers license obtaining a car.He was a felon who had substance issues and mental issues.The woman whose home he was living in should have questioned someone like him being around her sons,especially if he had a firearm*, I think but ultimately,he was a very misguided adult who had to make those horrible decisions for himself.

* yes,I know this makes me a blissninny in many's books but addicts with a history of mental instability aren't the most welcome in my home and aren't the kinds of people I want anywhere near firearms at any time,regardless of whether I am around them at the time.
 
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Posted by CDignition
Glorifying and reporting on things like this need to stop.. the Driveby media will harp on it for a week easy...This in itself gives these suicidal maniacs the power they need to convey their message(Whatever that is). I wonder how many murders there was in LA yesterday..Ill bet 6 or more in one day...

They need to report it. But they need to use the right words. As my 9 year old will tell you, "Words mean Stuff."

some definitions even a 9 year old can understand:

fame- when every one knows your name for a good reason

infamy-when everyone knows your name for a bad reason

glory- something that makes one honored

ignominy- something that makes one dishonored or disgraced

So, if the MSM would call a spade a spade, and report "....he went out in splat of ignominy".....

Better yet, ban his name from the lexicon, and banish his image from the screens. By all means, report the story. But VILIFY THE VILE . Do not accentuate the negative! Flush and forget this :evil: POS.

Gil Gross, sitting in for Paul Harvey, got it right. He told the story, but refused to utter the Goblin's name, and explained why.

KUDOS TO GIL GROSS!!!!!
 
I have a potential BOMBSHELL to drop, but I don't have permission from the source yet.....
 
Oh, and another thing...

....... I wish everybody would stop calling this a tragedy.

more definitions.....

tragedy- an unfortunate accident- unlucky - two airliners colliding due to human error is a tragedy

atrocity- an evil, destructive act- two airliners flown intentionally into a building full of people is an atrocity

To say this was a tragedy is to deny that there was intent on the part of the Westroads Wacko..... VILIFY THE VILE.
 
Oh, and another thing...

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....... I wish everybody would stop calling this a tragedy.

You don't think its a tragedy that nine people are dead? These unlucky people happened to been in the line of for of this idiot and were killed. I call that TRAGIC. What would you call a tragedy?
 
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It WAS a tragedy for these 13 people and their families. And for the familie(s) of the shooter. But people die all the time. It's not news. The NEWS is that a sicko murdered 8 people. THAT is an ATROCITY to the rest of us, meaning Society as a whole. Sure, it's sad that those people were killed and wounded. But instead of celebrating their victimhood, we should be vilifying the villain in this situation, if only to discourage other losers wanting to get their name on TV.
 
Something that should surprise nobody, National Public Radio (Public Radio) got it wrong AGAIN, this time regarding their repeated references to SKS Assault Rifle and or the Assault Rifle used by the shooter.

Despite having been corrected numerous times my the writer, likely others too, I wonder as to why they repeat the same "mistake", again and again and again.

BTW, a minute or so ago, I heard the same "mistake" repeated for the third time today on WDUQ FM in Pittsburgh, PA, mind, the day is young.
 
I agree,for better or worse " assault rifle" in popular parlance is any military derived semi-automatic and it really doesn't matter if it has a bayonet lug,pistol grip or other AWB listed part not.Since it's largely semantics wrapped in sensationalism,I don't play a part in that peeing match.I also don't care if people call magazines clips nor do I go into hysterics that a revolver is a handgun but isn't a pistol or other such triviality.
Ignorance should never trump truth, even if ignorance is part of the modern vernacular.
 
Let's stop with the silly quibbling over semantics. This was a most unfortunate occurrence, whatever word you wish to ascribe to it. If there is a person out there who wants to do something like this for the attention, vilifying them still qualifies as attention. I don't think that there's any way to report something like this without giving attention to the perpetrator, whether it is reported as "Troubled Youth Kills Christmas Shoppers" or "Vicious, Rotten-Souled, Cowardly, Subhuman Wretch Guns Down Innocent Victims; Act is Universally Condemned". Less airtime and fewer inches of copy could probably be devoted to something like this, but as long as people are interested, the media will report on it.

If you're willing to do something like this for the attention, the truth is that you'd probably be happy with attaining infamy. It's the recognition by so many people that is craved by these individuals; one minute you're a screw-up from a the vast, unremarkable Midwest, but for doing something that requires little effort and no courage on your part, you are guaranteed to be known by name and talked about by millions, if only for a relatively short time. Kill some folks and then check out so you don't have to deal with the consequences.

That said, the sheer ineptitude and lack of fact-checking by the media in their reportage of this incident is nothing short of dumbfounding. You'd think that someone out there would have the inclination to do some freaking research on the subject to find out that an SKS and an AK-47 are not the same thing, or that 7.66mm is not a real caliber. Wikipedia would be sufficient to get that information, for crying out loud. I hope this doesn't turn into some kind of mass hysteria, but I'm not too optimistic.
 
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My Webster's Desk Dictionary says "an unfortunate or disastrous occurrance, but I won't quibble which dictionary is correct.

My point is: calling it a tragedy removes blame from the shooter. It would have been a tragedy if a tour bus had its brakes fail and run those people over. It is a symptom of our No Fault Society. Let's not make any judgements!

These people were murderedand the POS that did it is vilified by assigning the blame for the atrocity where it belongs, squarely on him.

The Hoplophobes on NPR and elsewhere are busy trying to put the blame on the Evil Assault Rifle as if it possessed the poor boy and made him commit the crime. That rifle no more killed those people than a bunch of daggers killed Julius Ceasar. But nobody wants to hurt the Shooter's family's feelings by calling a SPADE a SPADE. He committed the atrocity: he's an atrocious person. He murdered: he's a murderer.

What is so difficult to understand? MAKE IT OBVIOUS TO POTENTIAL COPYCATS THAT THERE IS NOTHING GLORIOUS ABOUT GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT PEOPLE.:banghead:

I hate to say, "I told you so.", but I said this same stuff elsewhere in April.......and I REALLY don't want to say it AGAIN the next time it happens, (and it WILL) but I will........and I will keep saying it. It probably won't help, as I am Just.One.Person. Maybe some of you will join me........ if enough people keep saying it, maybe, just maybe the next lost boy will decide he doesn't want to go out in a splat of ignominy...................
 
I agree to some extent with JimBob here. The media and public seem to treat these types of events the same way as a mine collapse or tornado. This was a criminal act; if the one man didn't make the choice to do it, it wouldn't have happened. It wasn't an accident or natural disaster.
 
MOST people could not tell the difference between an SKS and an AK-47 but most wouldn't even know what an SKS is to begin with.A minority might know what an AK is and might possibly come up with that as to what they saw.
Something we gunnies need to get through our thick heads is the definition of AK-47 in the parlance of your average person.

AK-47 = Any rifle with a conspicuously curved magazine protruding below the gun (especially one with wood furniture).

So an SKS with an AK magazine conversion (or higher capacity magazine) = AK47.
A Ruger 10/22 with a 30 round magazine = AK47
A Ruger Mini 14/30 with a hi capacity magazine = AK47
An M1 Carbine with a hi cap mag = AK47

You get the idea.

You'd think that someone out there would have the inclination to do some freaking research on the subject to find out that an SKS and an AK-47 are not the same thing...
Now I've got a cold so let me grab a Kleenex (out of this box marked Puffs), and while I'm at it I think I'll go get a Coke (even though the bottle says Pepsi).
 
That is what he wanted- that everybody know his name, remember him. That is what I am trying to accomplish- that No one say his name or put up his picture. Tilting at windmills? Probably. But I think it the right thing to do. And giving him the infamy he wanted is wrong. The only thing necessary for Evil to triumph is for Good men to stand idly by and do nothing.
 
One of the female anchors on Fox refused to use his name as well. I say bravo to that. This guy specifically called for himself to be made famous for his crime and the media is sending a clear message to the next shooter that they WILL get what they want.
 
Hawkins moved from his family's home about a year ago. Maruca-Kovac and her husband, whose sons were friends with Hawkins, welcomed him into their home and tried to help him.

"When he first came in the house, he was introverted, a troubled young man who was like a lost pound puppy that nobody wanted," Maruca-Kovac told The Associated Press.

She told the Omaha World-Herald that the night before the shooting, Hawkins and her sons showed her an SKS semiautomatic Russian military rifle — the same type used in the shooting. She said she thought the gun belonged to a member of Hawkins' family. She said she didn't think much of it — the gun looked too old to work.

Records in Sarpy and Washington counties showed Hawkins had a felony drug conviction and several misdemeanor cases filed against him, including an arrest 11 days before the shooting for having alcohol as a minor. He was due in court in two weeks.

Does anyone else find it disturbing that he showed the gun to someone the night before? Shouldn't they have known that he was a felon - and therefore should not have been in possession of said firearm?
 
I understand your sentiments, jimbob, and I think you're right about the fact that it's important to attach responsibility to the individual who selected this as his course of action. However, I disagree with you that it would be a deterrent to treat these acts as truly shameful. If you're deranged enough to deliberate about and eventually decide on going to a mall with a rifle to shoot people, do you think you'd stop and think to yourself "Hmm, this isn't going to be though of as a noble act. Maybe I won't do it after all"? I sure don't. The way to stop things like this is to allow people the means to defend themselves.

Just as this pathetic individual should be held solely responsible for his acts, so too should everyone be responsible for their own protection and the protection of their families. If someone is determined to do something like this, whether it is for attention, because their cheating spouse pushed them over the edge, because they received a vision, or really for any reason, they will do it. This, unfortunately is a fact. However, the severity of these types of things might be reduced if people are armed and ready to fight for their lives against such senselessness. Instead of nine dead, it might be half that, or a third that. Who's to say? This, to me, says that the real issue here is that of people being able to protect themselves if something like this does happen, not somehow keeping these incorrigible lunatics from doing them in the first place.
 
I'm having a hard time picturing where exactly he was. After reading countless threads/articles, the best I can come up with is he entered the store itself from the parking lot, went up an elevator nearby and started shooting.

Now was he still in the STORE doing all this, or shooting down on people walking the MALL from the STORE? :scrutiny:

I'm guessing he was retained in the store as everyone was diving under clothes racks and hiding in changing rooms...
 
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