Shootings in NYC

[toivo]

How exactly are they supposed to help with no arrest powers, no arms, no peace officer powers at all?

Eyes and ears--they're supposed to watch out for things and radio for the "real cops" if/when they see something. Not a bad idea, but I don't think they should be uniformed.

I can't fault those guys in NY for doing what they did. Odds were against them, but they tried, and that took guts. We had a mall shooting a few years back, and the shooter was tackled by unarmed store employees while he was changing magazines in his AK. They got lucky, the guys in NY got unlucky.

 

[jke456]

Patrol streets unarmed, to provide safety to other unarmed citizens?

RIP and all that but truly that has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

How exactly are they supposed to help with no arrest powers, no arms, no peace officer powers at all?

Idiocy.

Anyone know if the city offered them a vest at least?

Article I read said that 1 had a vest purchased with his own funds. NY does not supply them with vest but does allow them to where their own.

The one with a vest was hit six times , once in the vest.

Article also stated that the aux. are used as the eyes of the police.

Jon

 

[rudolf]

Why would any unarmed person chase an armed murderer and not expect to possibly be shot dead?

I know a guy who saw someone shoot his grilfriend on open street. He started fussung with the shooter, and received a .44 in the head, two in the stomach. Strangely he survived, lost an eye and most of his mind. Don't ask me what he expected other than to be shot too, but due to the brain damage it's too late to ask him anyway.

BTW, later a cop tried the talking stunt and got a .44 in the stomach. The guy then had a cigarette and put his last round into his own head.

 

[Conju]

My message to bloomberg:

Mr Bloomberg, Today, the blood of three innocent's is on YOUR hands. The draconian gun laws that are in effect in your city completely FAILED to prevent a murder, in fact, the same laws are responsible for two additional deaths, as your police officers were unable to be armed and helpless to prevent further tragedy. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your murderer had no regard for the law, and as a result of your ignorance, killed three people, is this the utopia you envisioned?I hope you can sleep well tonight, knowing full well that three people are dead because of your policies.

 

[LkWinnipesaukee]

I was there.

I was there. One block away.

I was in NYC for a Columbia high school journalism conference. We (15 or so kids) were walking along, looking for a restaurant. All of a sudden, We hear about nine bangs ahead of us and to the right. I stood there for a second and just listened. The shots weren't loud at all (sounded as loud as... I don't know, like a .22 Short), so I assumed we were somewhat safe. Then I was like, "Guys, those were gunshots," or something like that. Then we all just BOLTED into a CVS which was behind us. We all went to the back and just waited. Fast forward five minutes; there were police cars everywhere. Finally, we went outside to look. It turns out it happened ONE BLOCK from where we were. It was very surreal. We had no idea just how close it was.

When we got the cabs to go back to the hotel, we just kind of laughed it off, assuming it was one bad drug dealer shooting another bad drug dealer.

The next morning, we read the NY Post and find outthat it was an ex-Marine who shoot a bartender/manager of a restaurant,and two UNARMED volunteer police officers, before armed police shothim. They found another handgun (a 1911 of some sort), and ~100 roundsin a bag.

I guess the moral of the story is that if you hearany kind of a gunshot, no matter how quiet or far away it may seem, runlike hell in the opposite direction.

 

[jeffkirchner]

I guess the moral of the story is that if you hearany kind of a gunshot, no matter how quiet or far away it may seem, runlike hell in the opposite direction.

I can't run faster than a speeding bullet. That's why I carry a gun.

 

[Cosmoline]

I am sure they were aware of what they were getting into. However - they obvioulsy took their "oath" seriously and were simply doing what they thought needed to be done. Its unfortunate that the dept woes not arm their reserves.

What did they think they were getting into? I'm wondering what the training is, or if they had any. Were they planning on using harsh language? It was incredibly foolish. "Eyes and ears" be damned. If you can see the shooter, then he has line of sight and can shoot you.

 

[Master Blaster]

Being an unarmed auxiliary in uniform is like wearing a target.

It truely sad that they weren't allowed to carry an effective defensive weapon.
Should we all e-mail mayor Bloomberg and ask him why these brave men had to be disarmed victims??

And Why he lets dangerous crimminals roam the streets??

 

[geronimotwo]

The bedlam began around 9 p.m., when the gunman went into the pizzeria, asked for a menu and then shot an employee 15 times in the back, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

(assuming the man didn't reload) the mayor must have been mistaken, ny law prohibits anyone from owning a handgun that carries more than 10 rounds.


on tv i saw a surveillance video that had the two auxiliary officers being murdered. they were following the guy about fifty feet behind him as he ran away. when he turned back on them they both tried to hide behind cars, rather than run, the shooter came back and shot the one guy 6 times in the back as he lay there, then went after the other about thirty feet away as armed officers were coming into view. they said one was 19. i wonder if the auxiliary will use this as a recruitment (they should atleast use it for training.) video?

 

[hnk45acp]

Before everyone jumps on these Aux. cops for "running into a gunfight without a gun" this is what happened:
When the 2 cops initially confronted him he was not holding a gun he was holding his bag. They ordered him to drop the bag. He then dropped the bag punched one officer and started running. At no time during this confrontation did he point a gun at the unarmed cops. As he started to run he pulled out a gun and THEN came back to shoot the pursuing cops.
Assumption 1: He had emptied his gun into the restaurant worker and was empty.
Assumption 2: He reloaded as he was running from the 2 Aux cops
Assumption 3: The fatal one. The cops thought he'd run out of bullets and pursued him.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

It's what they asked for, don't do a job that you can't handle. I'm sure they were good folks none the less wanna be heros without a longsword, stupid.:banghead:

Reminds me of the scene in demolition man were wesley snipes(the bad guy) is confronted by pansy ass unarmed cops. Enough said.

 

[Frog48]

Unarmed cops, you say? Sounds familiar...

I hate to make light of the loss of human life, this whole situation is plain stupid. Nobody in their right mind would choose to put themselves in harms way without some sort of defense mechanism. Sounds to me like a couple of glorified security guards who thought they were Superman. These "officers" were obviously not the brightest folks around.

 

[toivo]

These "officers" were obviously not the brightest folks around.

That's pretty cold. They died in the line of duty, trying to protect the public. Would you think more highly of them if they had run the other way while the shooter killed more civilians?

 

[TexasRifleman]

Would you think more highly of them if they had run the other way while the shooter killed more civilians?

Do you honestly believe that their deaths saved anyone?

If you do, please explain how.

In the end, whether or not they are brave has little to do with the fact that they were kept disarmed by a corrupt Mayor who is more interested in appearances than reality.

 

[Erebus]

Blooming Idiot calling on Pelosi for more gun laws

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172007/news/regionalnews/mike_calls_on_pelosi_to_end_gun_craziness_regionalnews_stephanie_gaskell.htm

By STEPHANIE GASKELL
March 17, 2007 -- The shooting deaths of two auxiliary cops must spur the Democratic-controlled Congress to pass tougher gun legislation, Mayor Bloomberg said yesterday.

He also called House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Thursday to urge her to act - and said that if she didn't she'd have blood on her hands, the mayor said.

"The Democrats have said repeatedly that they blame the Republicans for no gun legislation," an angry Bloomberg said during his WABC radio show.

"Well, now they're in charge. OK, stand up. And if not, I'm going to tell everybody."

Unarmed auxiliary cops Nicholas Pekearo, 28, and Eugene Marshalik, 19, were shot and killed in Greenwich Village Wednesday night by crazed gunman David Garvin.

Cops found two guns at the scene that belonged to Garvin. Police sources said one appeared to have been purchased legally in Missouri, and the other bought in Arizona in the 1980s. Garvin had lived in both states.

Bloomberg said this latest tragedy should spur Congress into action.


"There is just a point where we have to say 'Enough,' " Bloomberg said. "You can't keep losing police officers and kids."

The mayor called Pelosi Thursday but was able only to leave a message. A call to the speaker's office from The Post wasn't returned yesterday.

"Day in and day out, it's our children getting killed," he said. "It's our police officers getting killed. It could be you and me getting killed."

"Somebody's got to stop this craziness!" he said.

Bloomberg has focused much of his second term on getting illegal guns off the streets.

"Nobody's trying to ban guns," Bloomberg explained yesterday. "That's just so ridiculous an argument. If you get a license, you can have a gun."

[email protected]

"Nobody's trying to ban guns," Bloomberg explained yesterday. "That's just so ridiculous an argument. If you get a license, you can have a gun."

In NYC? Are you kidding?

 

[TexasRifleman]

It could be you and me getting killed."

Well, no, dummy....... YOU have armed guards.

 

[toivo]

Do you honestly believe that their deaths saved anyone?

If you do, please explain how.

If the auxiliary officers had not followed him and he had not stopped to confront them, he might have been able to get away. The man was a psycho and was running amok. No one knows what might have happened next, but it's safe to say that he needed to be stopped.

In the end, whether or not they are brave has little to do with the fact that they were kept disarmed by a corrupt Mayor who is more interested in appearances than reality.

Yes, but that's not THEIR fault.

I honestly don't know why people want to dump on these guys and call them stupid. They may have made mistakes, but they died trying to save other people. That's an honorable death in my book.

 

[Frog48]

That's pretty cold. They died in the line of duty, trying to protect the public. Would you think more highly of them if they had run the other way while the shooter killed more civilians?

Sure, we could say that these guys were brave and that their actions were noble, yada yada. Nobody will argue with that. But in this case, they should have done what volunteer auxiliary personnel are supposed to do... call the police, provide an account of the situation and description of the suspect, and otherwise stay out of the way.

Auxiliary police personnel are supposed to be no more than reputable witnesses. In most jurisdictions, auxiliary and reserve forces are totally different things.