Shot by .45,doesn't even bleed!

[gunsmith]

Nope I do not have a link (sorry)
My pal is a fire fighter and responded to an emergency call here in frisco
seems some guy (gang banger most likely) was sitting in his Jeep Cherokee
when he became victim of a drive by shooting.
The victims car was all shot up doors and windows,and he was hit with .45
caliber bullets twice,my friend treated him on the scene and said the guy had big red welts but no holes!

so whats the moral of the story here?
.45's bad or Jeeps good?

 

[Car Knocker]

The morale is: We don't know enough about the incident to have a valid discussion.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

He was hit by flying debris, not the bullets.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Charmed life of dumb luck? Just wasn't his time.

 

[NavajoNPaleFace]

If he had no gunshot injuries how was it determined they gun was .45 caliber?

POSITIVELY identifying the caliber is very, very rarely done at the scene without forensics involved in a much longer and detailed investigation and seldom is it proven unless there is a projectile to study.

If this was a drive-by it's possible the perps were run down, ID'ed and determine the weapons they had did the shooting but that isn't explained in the scenario so I dont know.

I've never known a gang to use low caps and low velocity .45 hand guns in drive bys. But, then again, anything is possible.

I've never heard of gang bangers driving high priced Jeep Cherokees either but, anything is possible in San Francisco. Maybe they equiped it with low riding suspension and extra wide, low pressure, extended tires.

I suspect they were incidental wounds like Lone Gunman suggests and I think there is more to the story than told.

If any vehicle is 'all shot up' there are gonna be more than incidental injuries unless the vics weren't even in the vehicle at the time but, perhaps, standing near by and they were injured by their own work?

Maybe?

 

[clubsoda22]

Bullets get slowed down a lot going through cars, but i agree that he was probably just hit by debris or maybe a seperated bullet jacket.

I had a guy who was shot with a 9mm while sitting in a car, his buddy was shot 11 times (screwed), but he just got one in the hip as he was scrambling to get out of the car. the 9mm broke the skin, but fell out in his boxer shorts.

 

[fjolnirsson]

If he had no gunshot injuries how was it determined they gun was .45 caliber?

Not trying to be a smarta$$, but..
Ok, I'm being a smarta$$!
Normally the brass casings left at the scene have a caliber mark on them.
If it was a semi-auto at least.

 

[clubsoda22]

he got out a caliper and measured the holes in the car door.

 

[Dorian]

I'm assuming there were bullets in the car itself.. just not in the guy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

It could happen, but not because things worked properly.

Many years ago, I shot a .38 Special that had sat on its side for many years. Apparently that can do something to the primers. We were shooting at targets on the opposide side of a large pond/tank. The shooting went something like...

Boom, ... ... ... ... kurplunk
Boom, ... ... ... ... kurplunk
Boom, ... kurplunk
Boom, ... ... ... ... kurplunk
Boom, ... ... ... ... kurplunk
Boom, ... ... kurplunk

Distances fired ranged from about 20 feet to 50 before the round kurplunked into the water.

We put in some 'new' ammo and everything was fine. This was the box from which the ammo in the gun had been taken years before. We checked with an armorer who explain about primers, storage, and related problems. Maybe oil seaped into the primers from the regular wipe downs? I don't know how true the explanation was, but we had rounds that did not travel far and the only difference between them and the ones in the box was that the box of ammo was stored on a closet shelf.

 

[Greybeard]

DNS - Yep, ' seen "squib loads" like that too. Pretty weird. NRA definition of squib load is something to the effect of "a round that fails to achieve the normal velocity". Caused by bad powder, damp powder, not enough powder, primer only, etc.

Last one I had was with a shot gun - with reloaded 20 gauge ammo my brother gave me cuz it did not run good in his semi. (' found out pretty quick why he gave it away. ) Shot traveled about 10 yards, formed a little cloud like on cartoons, then dropped like a rock. And the dove kept on truckin'.

To me, the scenario above with .45 is credible, considering that many bullets have been found in game animals next to the skin on opposite side. The skin of mammals can be rather tough, elastic, resilient. Perhaps the hard "skin" (glass, sheet metal) of the vehicle slowed the big bullets to the point they did not have enough velocity left to penetrate any more "skin".

 

[squibload]

squib load is something to the effect of "a round that fails to achieve the normal velocity".

Yeah, sometimes we just fall out the end of the barrel....

 

[Greybeard]

Quote: "Yeah, sometimes we just fall out the end of the barrel...."

Yea, but the one I'd be most concerned about is not quite makin' it out the barrel. And the "end" being a sitting duck for the next one - that might not be such a "squib".

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Sometimes you just get lucky.

To clarify, he was NOT shot with a .45. The Cherokee was shot with the .45. Fragments that hit him could have first hit a door post, door hardware, glass, bounced off the street, etc.

Use enough gun. Should have been a .44 mag. Doors don't matter then.

 

[auschip]

Sounds like the guy is bulletproof. I recommend taking him out to test the theory more.

 

[gunsmith]

heheheheh

Sounds like the guy is bulletproof. I recommend taking him out to test the theory more.

I'll tell my fire fighter friend that and we'll see if we can get the guy
to show up for a shoot.

 

[artherd]

The Terminator is made of Liquid Metal. /arnold

 

[Feanaro]

Through a Jeep I doubt 9mm or .40Short&Weak would have done well either. Handguns are NOT good for penetrating cover.

 

[Snowdog]

Through a Jeep I doubt 9mm or .40Short&Weak would have done well either.

Just to follow on that, this Cherokee could have been a tank-like FSJ (Full Size Jeep).
These 6000 pound asphalt magnets such as Wagoneers, Grand Wagoneers, Cherokee Chiefs and pre '84 Cherokees have some serious metal for autobody, nothing like the tinfoil you find on today's cars and trucks.

White Elephant, my '88 Grand Wagoneer 4x4 (yes, it's a money pit, but it'll haul anything and go anywhere in the snow)

I would have serious doubts about the remaining "umphh" of a .45acp slug if I were to fire my Kimber through the door of my White Elephant (and that's assuming none of the braces or window components are hit).

 

[243_shooter]

Nice Jeep!

Those old wagoneers have some serious amounts of steel in them.. If it was a real Jeep (like yours!) I'm suprised they made it through the door

Up on the back forty we have an old fender of unknown vintage, but my 9mm just makes the nicest little dents in it, and it's been up there rusting for 50? years

Not nearly enough info to make any kind of guess what happened in this instance though.

Leo

 

[Snowdog]

Nice Jeep!

Thanks!