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Let me start by saying I've reloaded for rifle & handgun for many years.
Now I'm looking to start reloading for a 410 bore shotgun.

I have Lyman's Shotgun Reloading Handbook 5th Ed.
But it only has data for Federal, Remington & Winchester hulls.

Where can I find more?
Capital Cartridge has NEW Fiocchi hulls pretty cheap.

Any Fiocchi data available?

Thanks,

Jeff
 
Did a quick search over on a trap and skeet forum, I don't know many people who use a .410 for skeet, and they are using the Lyman's 5th but said it's dependent on the powder you're using... One guy said Alliant will send you their reloading specs for free for shotty shells... there is a RCBS book but it's a few years old and not a common one, 99903 is the part or stock number.....

one other one they said was this one .. https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun .... but again, I think that's powder dependent ...

here is an older forum that gives some info on those hulls .... https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/fiocchi-410-load.408937/

Hope this helps out a little

Jeff
 
Pick your powder. Most of the powder manufacturers have their own data that they will provide. It's a good place to start.
 
Use Federal data for Fiocchi. Fiocchi hulls are reloadable, most likely 1-2, maybe 3. Then pick the powder, primer and wad for your load. Unlike metallic, you do NOT work up loads. Do not interchange magnum and regular primers either
 
BTW, the best hulls for reloading 28 and 410 are Winchester AA; they last the longest
 
Looked at Western Powders, Alliant & Hodgdon.
No luck, same data & hulls.

George P - please excuse my skepticism, why Federal data?
when you say {most likely 1-2, maybe 3} do you mean they're reloadable 1-3 times?

thanks
 
Hondo 60 said:
Looked at Western Powders, Alliant & Hodgdon.
No luck, same data & hulls.

George P - please excuse my skepticism, why Federal data?
when you say {most likely 1-2, maybe 3} do you mean they're reloadable 1-3 times?

thanks
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Federal is a straight-walled hull like the Euro hulls - which Fiocchi, RIO, Cheddite, etc. all are.
Yes, to the number of reloads

Looking at Alliant, I see 14 recipes for 1/2 oz in 2-1/12" hulls and 1 for 3"
Looking at Hodgdon, I see 35 recipes for 1/2oz in 2-1/2" hulls using 3 different powders and 7 recipes for 3" hulls
 
Hondo 60 said:
Let me start by saying I've reloaded for rifle & handgun for many years.
Now I'm looking to start reloading for a 410 bore shotgun.

I have Lyman's Shotgun Reloading Handbook 5th Ed.
But it only has data for Federal, Remington & Winchester hulls.

Where can I find more?
Capital Cartridge has NEW Fiocchi hulls pretty cheap.

Any Fiocchi data available?

Thanks,

Jeff
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I wouldn't know where to buy those hulls new, same as 12 gauge and others. What we do is buy a case of target ammo and save/reload the spent hulls. Savings are not dramatic in reloading anyway. Those factory original hulls are better quality and will reload more times than imported new hulls. I have noted in 12 Ga that Fiocchi hulls from bought light target have a plastic base cup, so they load very much like Win AA HS fired hulls. New Fiocchis don't bear that description. The fired hulls are only good for three reloads max, after which the crimp petals are fried and won't produce a good crimp. Domestics seem to last much longer, so those three you mentioned are the elite among hulls.
 
brewer12345 said:
+1. BPI has all the data you could want on Euro hulls.
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They have a lot, but the book cost me $25 and $11 shipping.
For their straight-wall hulls, typical imports, be sure to order nitro cards and overshot cards to get the wad to the right height with a good crimp. For lighter shot loads there is no internal taper to support the wad base and achieve the right height under the crimp. Reloading is much simpler with Win AA HS and Remington STS, but good luck finding any or competing for them.

If using ExtraLite, don't look to the BPI book for any data. Alliant lists it though. The .410 though is mostly magnum powders.

To save on ordering a bunch of MEC bushings trying to get the powder weight right, try the adjustable charge bar or ask others which bushing yields the weight, contrary to the MEC chart. Volumetric measure chart listings are effectively just estimates.

If you start with buying a case of loaded shells, you won't have to worry about getting a good crimp start on new hulls, which may require purchase of BPI's brass crimp starter, assuming they even offer it for .410 (have to look).
 
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I avoid the Euro-hulls and prefer Winchester AAHS hulls for long life. I use those hulls with 1/2oz. #9 shot, Hodgdon H110 powder, Winchester 209 primers and Claybuster AA clone wads to get excellent performance and 10+ reloads per hull. This is a very popular combination of ingredients with clay target shooters; maybe the most popular.

To get a supply of hulls, I bought a few cases of loaded Winchester AA shotshells when they have the summer rebate program going on. I reload my .410 shotshells on a MEC single-stage press that's probably as old or older than I am (I'm 58) and still going strong.
 
At least 410 is worth your time to reload. I stopped on the 12 GA trap loads as the bulk boxes are less than I can make them for but I don't shoot trap as much lately. With the 12 I make my own buckshot and slugs (Lee slug) and this is still cost effective. As noted above straight or tapered hulls and getting the shot column tightly crimped are the two biggest things to me. Also the metric (foreign) primers are slightly larger so US primers will be loose in those hulls as will the regular hulls once a foreign primer is inserted. I like to use Cheddite primers in that instance.

One thing I have done in the past is to cut the crimp off the cheap 12 GA promo rounds and reclaim the shot. Then pull the wad and save it. Dump the propellant. Then I use a stump wad, buffer, buckshot, and overshot card to make a custom length shell and roll crimp it with the BPI roll crimper. Then I use the reclaimed shot in the 410/28 GA loads. This comes out way cheaper than buying lead shot for the 410. And I get good 12 GA buck out of the reclaimed hulls as well.
 
RealGun said:
The height of the brass. I believe 8mm is the standard minimum and understand that high brass isn't necessary and just harder to resize.
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Correct, brass height means nothing; what does matter is whether it is a tapered hull or straight walled hull. There are wads made for both and they are not really interchangeable
 
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