steveracer
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They are most often killed when discovered tracking something else. A deer, a rabbit, a hunter, etc.
shotguns for dangerous game?
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chudykGT
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I have a rem 870 with 2 rnd extension for hiking in the woods. Black bears are what we face, if they don't run away. ( of the 2 we have ever seen, one ambled away, the other ran) In the oddity that it decides we are edible it gets 00b as a "loud noise and a stinging sensation, maybe I should not eat them" followed by 5 1 oz rifled slugs. What are these Brenekke slugs? What are the weights and velocities? What is different about them? I use Winchester hollow point Super X slugs.
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"The Brenneke slug was developed by the famous German gun and ammunition designer Wilhelm Brenneke (1865–1951) in 1898. The original Brenneke slug is a solid lead slug with fins cast onto the outside, much like a rifled Foster slug. There is a plastic, felt or cellulose fiber wad attached to the base that remains attached after firing. This wad serves both as a gas seal and as a form of drag stabilization, much like the mass-forward design of the Foster slug. The "fins" impart little or no spin to the projectile; their purpose is to decrease the bearing surface of the slug to the barrel and therefore reduce friction and increase velocity.
Since the Brenneke slug is solid, rather than hollow like the Foster slug, the Brenneke will generally deform less on impact and provide deeper penetration (see terminal ballistics). The sharp shoulder and flat front of the Brenneke (similar in dimensions to a wadcutter bullet) mean that its external ballistics restrict it to short range use, as it does not hold velocity well. The Brenneke slug in 12 gauge is well suited for large and dangerous game at close ranges, and deer sized game or antipersonnel use out to about 50 yards (46 m).[1]"
"The Brenneke slug was developed by the famous German gun and ammunition designer Wilhelm Brenneke (1865–1951) in 1898. The original Brenneke slug is a solid lead slug with fins cast onto the outside, much like a rifled Foster slug. There is a plastic, felt or cellulose fiber wad attached to the base that remains attached after firing. This wad serves both as a gas seal and as a form of drag stabilization, much like the mass-forward design of the Foster slug. The "fins" impart little or no spin to the projectile; their purpose is to decrease the bearing surface of the slug to the barrel and therefore reduce friction and increase velocity.
Since the Brenneke slug is solid, rather than hollow like the Foster slug, the Brenneke will generally deform less on impact and provide deeper penetration (see terminal ballistics). The sharp shoulder and flat front of the Brenneke (similar in dimensions to a wadcutter bullet) mean that its external ballistics restrict it to short range use, as it does not hold velocity well. The Brenneke slug in 12 gauge is well suited for large and dangerous game at close ranges, and deer sized game or antipersonnel use out to about 50 yards (46 m).[1]"
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Brennekes are solid hard lead alloy, with sharp shoulders. Their wad is attached to the base of the slug, to provide stability in flight like the fletching on an arrow. They cut nice cookie-cutter holes and keep on goin' as far as penetration is concerned.
Most Foster type slugs are dead soft lead, and hollow based in a sort of badminton shuttlecock design to keep them flying nose first. They can flatten on impact, which can lessen penetration- NOT what you want on critters that might eat or stomp (or shoot or cut) you if you just make them mad. I use Brenneke KOs when slugs are called for... as an added bonus, they've grouped nicely in every shotgun I have shot them through.
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Most Foster type slugs are dead soft lead, and hollow based in a sort of badminton shuttlecock design to keep them flying nose first. They can flatten on impact, which can lessen penetration- NOT what you want on critters that might eat or stomp (or shoot or cut) you if you just make them mad. I use Brenneke KOs when slugs are called for... as an added bonus, they've grouped nicely in every shotgun I have shot them through.
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mgkdrgn
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12ga slug will take down anything you are going to run into in North America.
to answer orphaned, here's my story.
I'm working at a camp this summer and they request you don't bring personal rifles or handguns. So I had my bro bring them up, leave them in his car, which he then locked (good idea) and he parked at the head of the trail where I went to meet them. They had spent the night and we hiking out, then we were going back in to shoot. I was waiting for them, and they each had a large rifle and handgun, and I had a large rifle and handgun, but they were locked in his car.
I used to live in Africa, and I read many stories of buckshot being used to ill effect on lions. I've seen pictures where the buckshot barely went through the skin because of the density of chest muscles. It's penetration I'm worried about here. If a cat /bear is charging head on at you, you either get a head shot (hard on a moving target) or hit it in the vitals, which means going through the chest. Well slugs penetrate the chest muscles head of a charging cat? Say a cougar? Or a bear?
I'm working at a camp this summer and they request you don't bring personal rifles or handguns. So I had my bro bring them up, leave them in his car, which he then locked (good idea) and he parked at the head of the trail where I went to meet them. They had spent the night and we hiking out, then we were going back in to shoot. I was waiting for them, and they each had a large rifle and handgun, and I had a large rifle and handgun, but they were locked in his car.
I used to live in Africa, and I read many stories of buckshot being used to ill effect on lions. I've seen pictures where the buckshot barely went through the skin because of the density of chest muscles. It's penetration I'm worried about here. If a cat /bear is charging head on at you, you either get a head shot (hard on a moving target) or hit it in the vitals, which means going through the chest. Well slugs penetrate the chest muscles head of a charging cat? Say a cougar? Or a bear?
steveracer
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Yep. Brennekes will certainly do it. You should be able to fire all of them into a playing card at 25M, standing. This will give you the kind of accuracy you will need.
tactikel
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An enraged black bear can cover 25 yards in about 1.5 seconds, how many aimed shots can your 870 get off, after your warning shot, in the time you have left? My advice it to kill it with the first shot, and keep the others as backup.
SeekHer
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This might be of some help...
Do not use buckshot as it doesn't have the penetration that a slug has...
Facing you, aim for his nose...
Do not use buckshot as it doesn't have the penetration that a slug has...
Facing you, aim for his nose...
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