Shots fired after Police pursuit

[Ol' Badger]

Yeah! We need Police Motorcycles with sidecars that have MG's on them! That'll fix'em

 

[Sir Galahad]

No, the police need to be able to radio ahead to have a length of piano wire stretched across the road about head high.

"Vrooomm!!! Vrooomm!!!!! Vroooom!!!! ZWWWIIIIINNNNNGGGG!!!! Thump! Screeeeecccchhhh!"

"Hey, could ya hand me that paper sack when ya get our burgers out of it? Thanks."

 

[BerettaNut92]

My first impression when reading the headlines was that the mob rioted because the cops shot at some kid.

OK, now this guy hits something, kills himself, then the mob riots, citing racial profiling. They burn stuff down, which I presume, are in their own neighborhood. Um....whiskey tango foxtrot, over?



Isn't Nightcrawler in the National Guard out there?

 

[Ol' Badger]

Lets not forget the true victim in this event! The home owner that had his house smacked into. Imagine, just sitting watching TV and you hear the approach of sirines and then a crash as a Black man come fly'n through you front window! and hits the Wide screen you just bought!

 

[Intune]

The way it was portrayed on the local news in Nashville was that the cruiser "bumped" (PIT?) the biker and made him lose control. Doubt if that's gonna change any of the "machinegun Kelly's" version of speeder control out there but, if the guy was trying to PIT a biker at high speed he's a murderer. I'll wait for the facts.

 

[Sergeant Bob]

(Update: Benton Harbor-AP, June 18, 2003, 11:23 a.m.) Hundreds of people rioted for a second night over the death of a motorcyclist during a police chase.

The rioters set at least five buildings and five cars ablaze in the impoverished city of 12,000. They shot one passer-by in the shoulder and beat and stabbed others, police said.

Police quell 2nd night of riots in Benton Harbor

 

[Moondancer]

Benton Harbor has a history of the townfolk crying "racism" and getting radical, but not to this extent.

Several years back, IIRC, there was an incident wherein a cyclist (that's BI-cycle, not MOTOR-cycle) was reported to the local LE to be drunk and a hazard to motorists.

The Bentron Harbor police responded, as they should. The located the inebriated individual who refused to stop his drunken, weaving route down the edge of the road. They used their cruiser to ease him off the road, whereupon he fell over. No serious injuries resulted.

He was black.

The townspeople became incensed and complained to the CoP that it was racist actions that lead to this unthinkable police abuse. The CoP promised to investigate the officers in the action.

Stupidity at it's finest, folks.

 

[toro]

I don't get it. Why would you be so happy the fellow on the bike got killed? I know a police officer who was speeding on his bike on his way home from work. His off time so to speak. He didn't make it home, he was going 80 miles an hour. They had to scoop him up.

A lot of police have been killed in these high speed chases as well as citizens. I know there are times when you need to get a person who is dangerous, but maybe some of this could be stopped and it would save the police officer and the citizen.

We have had a lot of Ohio Troopers killed on the highways in Ohio by people speeding and loosing control when the officers are giving tickets. I guess speed kills, but, it also kills cops.

Mrs. Toro


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And his raiment bacame shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

 

[CZ-100]

Don't think a bike at 100 is a public safety hazard? Go ride one like that until you hit something solid and tell us how it was.

I disagree... That bike doing 100 mph will cause alot of damage when it hit something, or worse kill someone.

 

[Cosmoline]

I've seen bikers do some amazingly stupid things. Frankly the best thing to do is simply let them. They will lose any fight with a car or truck.

Actually, one could apply the same logic to these profoundly stupid rioters. Let them burn their own town.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Why am I "happy" the guy on the motorcycle Darwinated himself? Because he got what he deserved. He won't have the chance to endanger others with his behavior. He wanted to go through life with his head up his fourth point of contact? Well, now his head has been permanently installed. End of story, roll credits, call for an empty pizza box for the remains.

"Yeah, you'll know this motorcyclist. He's the one permanently wearing his ???? as a necklace."

 

[joenuclear]

I worked at the nuclear power plant a few miles from B.H. last year and the city is in serious decline.
The only employer of any size is Whirlpool. It's the international headquarters so they hire degreed proffesionals which leaves a lot of the locals out of a job.
It has a couple of nice restuarants and a large marina with access to Lake Michigan but I wouldn't want to spend the night there.

 

[Navy joe]

CZ-100, I was hoping for a tree with that comment. Mother Nature has one traffic law only. The trees always win. She plants little white crosses to commerate their victories.

 

[jdmb03]

It is really sad that people don't take a look at the facts. They go out in the streets and riot, but they have no clue why the police were chasing him. As soon as the chase ended the cops had several people surronding them and yelling and throwing crap.

It just goes to show how shallow minded people can be. "The cops are bad and they just pick on us because were black" It's the same old excuse for not wanting to take responsibility for your actions.

And I thought Detroit was bad. Oh wait, it is.

 

[Gmac]

Let's see, some advocate decapitation, some shooting on sight , what about tactical nukes for traffic violations? The point I was trying to make was that there should be a better way to stop the motorist without adding to the present danger. I believe that pursuit by wheeled vehicle only prolongs the problem at hand. A fewyears ago in Columbus ,Ohio a woman was struck and killed by a police cruiser involved in a high speed chase that originated in another county ( I think). The car was being pursued for a traffic violation iirc. If the officer hadn't continued the pursuit would the violator have slowed? Noone can say, BUT the woman wouldn't have been killed by the cruiser. As far as letting violators get away because they know you won't pursue I have no answer but it seems to me that one should weigh possible consequences
prior to any high speed pursuit. The rioting/burning is the esssence of stupidity------- burning my own house down because I'm angry at someone is not exactly logical. I am not an eloquent speaker/composer and a worse typist but I hope I clarified my position.

 

[Ex-Doc]

GMAC,

The guy was going 100 mph and running stop signs BEFORE the pursuit. He wasn't getting pulled over for a broken tail light...If the police didn't pursue him and he killed someone else what would you say then?

Tactical lazerbeams to deactivate motorcycle engines don't exsist yet so what else did you want them to do? Spike strips, road blocks at 100 mph?! Helicopters are only good for taping the crash when an idiot is already reckless driving...the police attempting to pursue had no bearing on the crash. Please enlighten us on how this should have been handled.

Comparing one high speed pursuit to another is like comparing the North Hollywood shootout to a kid stealing a candybar from a grocery store.

 

[Kcustom45]

What kind of dumbsh*t hits a house, all by himself, while operating the most maneuverable vehicle on the road?

Just a side note. I speak from experience when I say that as speed increases steering capability decreases. They might be very maneuverable, but not at 100mph. At those speeds the bikes prefer to go in a straight line.

Unless some new information comes out or it turns out that the cops did bump him, I think the cops did nothing wrong. The problem lies with the idiots who are willing to burn houses in their neighborhood and drag people out of their cars to beat them, because they feel oppressed. Do these people think beating people driving through their streets is going to win people over to their side?

For all of those wondering I ended up in a corn field after trying to take a corner to fast on my brother's bike. Lesson learned

 

[jdmb03]

I see people driving down my street going two and three times over the speed limit and there are no cops chasing them. Who is to blame when they cause an accident? Not the cops.

 

[El Rojo]

GMAC. According to this article, it reads as follows.

The chase began early yesterday on U.S. 31 in Berrien County's Royalton Township, where sheriff's Deputy Mark Lundin saw two high-performance motorcycles traveling toward Benton Harbor faster than 100 mph. Shurn was thought to be driving one of these motorcycles, Lt. Joseph Zangaro said from the state police post at Bridgman.

Lundin briefly pursued the pair but broke off the chase because of the motorcycles' high speed, Zangaro said. A short time later, Benton Township Patrolman Wes Koza saw one of the motorcycles speeding and running stop signs.

Koza pursued the motorcycle into Benton Harbor, where it drove through residential yards, came back on the street and ran more stop signs, state police said.

Koza was several blocks behind Shurn when the motorcycle struck the abandoned house, Zangaro said.

The first officer did break off the pursuit because of the high speed. The 2nd officer obviously wasn't in a "high speed pursuit" because he was "several blocks behind Shurn". I don't get your point. The only person that appeared to be driving fast in this case is the guy on the bike. There was no high speed "chase."

I can't wait to rob, loot, and burn my neighborhood! Now when is that black officer going to shoot that white trash from South Taft so I will have a reason? Well we don't have black officers in my po-dunk town. Maybe I can just do it when a black haired officer shoots a fellow red-head. I am tired of red-head oppression! Take to the streets and burn the place down, wait, that is my house. STOP!...

 

[jimpeel]

Benton Harbor probably won't be the last city to experience the joys of race riots this summer.

They will if the other cities throughout America place "Rioters will be shot on sight" signs at the city limits. Oops, I forgot, that would take gutsa in a nation of political cowards. My error.

 

[CZ-75]

The cops were pretty much in the right this time.

Maybe things like this won't happen in the future if they all have SMGs.

 

[Gmac]

FUBAR