Shots fired: Need non biased hd advice
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I' got a C9 in the nightstand and a older Browning semi-auto 12 under the bed. My thinking is this, the pistol is quick and easy but needs to be aimed, the 12 gauge is loaded with 3" birdshot, slug, birdshot, then slug. At the distances it will be fired in most houses the birdshot will put a hole approx 6" in diameter through 18 gauge steel, with the slug for follow up if needed. Semi-auto means the wifes shorter arms are not going to stop her from getting a 2nd shot.
That's what I decided to get with what I could afford. I don't live in a high crime area though.
That's what I decided to get with what I could afford. I don't live in a high crime area though.
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A collective groan goes up from the audience. Surely he didn't say birdshot?
We're going to have THAT argument again? Awww, skab, I'm just "funnin" ya.
But seriously... birdshot is for birds.
That's exactly what is in my Winchester 1300 right now.
thegreatwrzesinski
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Since this thread has started I have seen enough in the box o' truth to know birdshot is for birds...also that six inches of sand will stop just about anything, up to and including a 12 ga slug and a 45-70 elephant gun [impressive eh? makes me want to fill my walls with sand... wonder how much that will cost? way more than I could afford for sure
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thegreatwrzesinski
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OH MY GOD!!!! IT HAPPENED AGAIN!!!! This time it was five or six shots and it was accompanied by a car speeding off...same old drill, round up the family and call the police...why do my neighbors insist on shooting at each other right outside my house? I call the police and they ask if I want an officer to come by and talk to us but I always say no because I used to live in the projects growing up and an officer at your door meant a target on your house....not good in my case...and I can't afford to move because my lease isn't up for another year and I don't make enough money to pay for two rent's, I can barely pay one...
do you know which neighbors house was shot at? if so put in an anonymous call to the police and have them investigate the shooting. perhaps charges could be put on the occupants on the house that was shot at if they returned fire themselves.
If you're legitimately threatened, screw your lease. It's your life and your family, and you should be protecting them instead of hanging out on a gun board.
Start by finding somewhere safer to stay, stat.
If you've had multiple shooting incidents in a short period of time, skip the get a gun routine. Skip the planning for the worst. Take the money you were going to spend on guns, and...
Move.
Start by finding somewhere safer to stay, stat.
If you've had multiple shooting incidents in a short period of time, skip the get a gun routine. Skip the planning for the worst. Take the money you were going to spend on guns, and...
Move.
Gouranga
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Ditto to that. For my home we went with a M&P 40 and a Remington 1100 (already owned the 1100). My wife gets the 1100 and I get the handgun. The handgun also got paired with a CCW so I take it out and about for protection as well (If CCW is an option in your state I would suggest it). I would really suggest whatever gun you go with, do not cheap out on them. You literally are going to trust your life to these weapons, you absolutely need to be sure they are going to work when/if you do need them.
As PH/CIB has alluded to, a true home defense is going to be multi-layered. Do not rely on just guns. By the time you use them they are already well within your perimeter. Look to Solar accent lighting to provide some light out at the extremities of your yard. Good Exterior lighting to illuminate the outside of your home, particularly near likely points of entry. Motion flood lights on the home to catch your attention should anyone/thing come closer.
if you cannot afford a security system, they also sell those cheapo battery powered sensors you can stick to your doors and windows, they are not ideal but they will give ya some protection.
Dogs (if you are a dog person) are good as well. We have a black lab and while she is not aggressive by any means, the second anyone puts a foot on my property (I swear she is psychic), she starts growling and barking. No idea how she knows they are there but she does.
If someone wants to break into your home they will. The idea is to make is so unattractive of a target that they will just go to another home.
MCgunner
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I carry on my person 24/7 inside the house, on the streets, no matter. I always have my handgun right there and it's a reliable, accurate handgun which ever I'm carrying that particular day. You just never know, as you figured out, when you might need it. If something breaks in your home, are you going to be able to get to that shotgun? I doubt it.
Get a CCW and get serious.
Get a CCW and get serious.
Deanimator
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1. Before you decide what you're going to buy, examine your tactical situation. What's the inside of your home like? Is there lots of open space? Is it easy to move around with a long object in your hands? Or does it have narrow doors and hallways, bookshelves, etc.? Lots of people will tell you what the "best" gun is for you without having the SLIGHTEST idea of your environment. Any non-NFA longarm is just about useless in my home. I have a shotgun and an AR carbine, but in this home, I rely upon handguns.
And take any talk of not doing "house clearing" with a big grain of salt. Are you going to call the cops ANY time you hear a noise? How are they going to get in? The police don't have any legal duty to show up if you're being murdered. How likely do you think it is that they'll show up if you've made several false alarms because a shelf collapsed or the cat knocked over a lamp?
2. You can get a MUCH better gun than a Hi Point for not that much money, especially when you're talking about buying multiple Hi Points. People like Summit Gun Broker and CDNN almost always have good deals on police trade-in Glocks and other quality guns. The few Hi Points I've seen at our club were EXTREMELY unreliable. How much is your life worth to you?
And take any talk of not doing "house clearing" with a big grain of salt. Are you going to call the cops ANY time you hear a noise? How are they going to get in? The police don't have any legal duty to show up if you're being murdered. How likely do you think it is that they'll show up if you've made several false alarms because a shelf collapsed or the cat knocked over a lamp?
2. You can get a MUCH better gun than a Hi Point for not that much money, especially when you're talking about buying multiple Hi Points. People like Summit Gun Broker and CDNN almost always have good deals on police trade-in Glocks and other quality guns. The few Hi Points I've seen at our club were EXTREMELY unreliable. How much is your life worth to you?
MOVE.
Stop paying on the lease. Explain the situation to the landlord,if they don't like it too damn bad. If they want to take you to court get proof of the times you had to call the police and reasons why, the judge will likely throwout their case.
You can be as armed as you like but living in a neighborhood like that it doesn't matter, possessing a gun won't stop a stray bullet.
Stop paying on the lease. Explain the situation to the landlord,if they don't like it too damn bad. If they want to take you to court get proof of the times you had to call the police and reasons why, the judge will likely throwout their case.
You can be as armed as you like but living in a neighborhood like that it doesn't matter, possessing a gun won't stop a stray bullet.
easyg
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I disagree.
Most likely the judge will rule in the landlord's favor.
A renter's lease contract is a legal document and is usually upheld by the laws of our land.
But I think that it is worthwhile to talk to the landlord and see if you can break the lease early, for a penalty of course.
easyg
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I understand the sentiment, and that's exactly how I would feel, but one must consider the long term ramifications....
It he breaks the contract and skips out, then it could come back to haunt him when he tries to rent somewhere else.
Who wants to rent to someone who broke and ran on their previous lease contract?
OP, I think you may have a few misconceptions. If you want your wife to be able to shoot the HD gun don't get a 12ga with a folding stock and load it up with 000 buck. Folding stocks are poor recoil reducers and usually don't have the benefit of a cheek weld. 000 buck is grossly over powered and if you are worried about over penetration that is not the way to go.
I think two 9mm pistols would be the way to go. That way, both you and your wife can be armed simultaneously and can both shoot said weapon comfortably. A weapon shot comfortably is a weapon shot well. Before you go buy a couple hi-points, see what you can get used from other more high class brands first.
I am glad to see you have noticed the need for a firearm or two to protect your family. I consider it an obligation of being a man.
I think leases should be outlawed. People should be able to pay on a monthly basis. All leases do is take advantage of people, and help insure the income of the landlord.
I think two 9mm pistols would be the way to go. That way, both you and your wife can be armed simultaneously and can both shoot said weapon comfortably. A weapon shot comfortably is a weapon shot well. Before you go buy a couple hi-points, see what you can get used from other more high class brands first.
I am glad to see you have noticed the need for a firearm or two to protect your family. I consider it an obligation of being a man.
I think leases should be outlawed. People should be able to pay on a monthly basis. All leases do is take advantage of people, and help insure the income of the landlord.
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rainbowbob
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First of all: You may not want an officer to appear at your door - but what is stopping you from going to the station and filing a report?
Secondly: Read your lease carefully looking for the clause(es) that allow the lease to be cancelled for cause (i.e., failure to maintain a safe or habitable property). Go to the landlored and ask them to cancel your lease for cause. Then MOVE.
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I have lived in a situation almost like yours (lot's of theives and creepy people at all hours, break in's and robbery of the convenience store next door with my parking lot as the escape route, but NO SHOOTING).
Unless you are going to move into a guaranteed safer home (neighborhood/city-which i would do when able-it took a year to find a suitable alternative when we decided to move) you might be just as well off being extra cautious and helping/praying to ensure this stops with either the badguys getting caught or leaving.
Too late now, but in the future you also might consider a cheap/covert set of camera's to watch such things. it might have exposed the shooters or trouble neighbors.
Where are you? Exactly how far are you and how safe are you from this shooting?
Unless you are going to move into a guaranteed safer home (neighborhood/city-which i would do when able-it took a year to find a suitable alternative when we decided to move) you might be just as well off being extra cautious and helping/praying to ensure this stops with either the badguys getting caught or leaving.
Too late now, but in the future you also might consider a cheap/covert set of camera's to watch such things. it might have exposed the shooters or trouble neighbors.
Where are you? Exactly how far are you and how safe are you from this shooting?
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In a crazy area full of neighbors you do not trust... I would consider a handgun to be priority number one. And keep it close.
If you can get a CCW... get one! It's easiest to gain access to the home when someone is coming or going. You just might get surprised at your door while entering or leaving, so have your pistol ON YOUR PERSON. You could also get caught off guard while getting into or out of your vehicle in your own driveway.
Keep it on you during your waking hours and put it on your nightstand when you go to sleep. You aren't going to have time to grab your shotty from across the house if someone kicks in the door. Obviously, a good holster will be in the works.
Don't go with highpoint though... there are plenty of reliable used pistols in the same price range. And after a pistol, get that shotgun as soon as you get an extra $150 or so. That's how much a decent pump 12 gauge will set you back and it is a steal in my opinion. Keep that joker in whatever room you spend the most time in.
If you can get a CCW... get one! It's easiest to gain access to the home when someone is coming or going. You just might get surprised at your door while entering or leaving, so have your pistol ON YOUR PERSON. You could also get caught off guard while getting into or out of your vehicle in your own driveway.
Keep it on you during your waking hours and put it on your nightstand when you go to sleep. You aren't going to have time to grab your shotty from across the house if someone kicks in the door. Obviously, a good holster will be in the works.
Don't go with highpoint though... there are plenty of reliable used pistols in the same price range. And after a pistol, get that shotgun as soon as you get an extra $150 or so. That's how much a decent pump 12 gauge will set you back and it is a steal in my opinion. Keep that joker in whatever room you spend the most time in.
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In our house, my wife and I have seperate duties in case of emergency. My wife is responsible for 911 and setting off the home alarm via remote while I get to the kids. Then, we regroup and (if needed) flee through the front door (we live in town on a busy street so an intruder would come from the back).
On a side note, if you go with a shotgun, forget folding stocks, pistol grips, etc. If you must, equip the shotgun with a collapsable stock. Bringing the shotgun to the shoulder will vastly improve your control on it and enable quicker followup shots if needed.
Skip the lasers. In the dark they are going to give away your position as soon as it lights.
At a close distance, you really don't "need" buckshot. A heavy birdshot will do alot of damage and (from what I hear) at distances in a home, the wad from the shotgun shell can be pretty punishing.
I'm sure all this is covered in the previous posts...I'm just too lazy to read every single one.
One thing I just thought of...you could have a blend of the two if you go with a 9mm carbine. Hi Point has a 995 that gets pretty good reviews (other than being ugly as sin). It would be easier to be accurate than a standard handgun, but allow you to use 9mm ammo. Just another thought.
On a side note, if you go with a shotgun, forget folding stocks, pistol grips, etc. If you must, equip the shotgun with a collapsable stock. Bringing the shotgun to the shoulder will vastly improve your control on it and enable quicker followup shots if needed.
Skip the lasers. In the dark they are going to give away your position as soon as it lights.
At a close distance, you really don't "need" buckshot. A heavy birdshot will do alot of damage and (from what I hear) at distances in a home, the wad from the shotgun shell can be pretty punishing.
I'm sure all this is covered in the previous posts...I'm just too lazy to read every single one.
One thing I just thought of...you could have a blend of the two if you go with a 9mm carbine. Hi Point has a 995 that gets pretty good reviews (other than being ugly as sin). It would be easier to be accurate than a standard handgun, but allow you to use 9mm ammo. Just another thought.
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Have a talk to your landlord about moving. Make sure you've looked through the lease beforehand for anything applicable. You might also be able to argue the lease contract is void as there was no meeting of the minds, assuming that the landlord knew the neighbourhood was unsafe and you did not... Also assuming you can convince a judge that it is indeed unsafe etc. That road could be costly, but just talking to the landlord won't cost you.
In defence of the bayonet, I see no reason not to have it. It's just one more way you can use the weapon. Bayonets are still issued and occasionally used by the world's modern militaries. I have acquaintances who have used them in house to house fighting, and been very glad they were there. I can also say that a bayonet a few centimetres from your face is a scary, scary sight.
In defence of the bayonet, I see no reason not to have it. It's just one more way you can use the weapon. Bayonets are still issued and occasionally used by the world's modern militaries. I have acquaintances who have used them in house to house fighting, and been very glad they were there. I can also say that a bayonet a few centimetres from your face is a scary, scary sight.
The first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun. . . but the 0th rule is not to get into a gunfight.
I would discuss the issue with your landlord and make plans to move. You may be able to work something out.
Anyway, you KNOW you are in a dangerous sitations that cannot all be solved by simply owning a gun. Are you going to sandbag the front of your house to protect against stray bullets? Having a gun is a good idea, but not the solution to your problem, in my most humble opinion.
I would discuss the issue with your landlord and make plans to move. You may be able to work something out.
Anyway, you KNOW you are in a dangerous sitations that cannot all be solved by simply owning a gun. Are you going to sandbag the front of your house to protect against stray bullets? Having a gun is a good idea, but not the solution to your problem, in my most humble opinion.
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