SKS for HD?

[dispatch55126]

I'm not even reading the replies

All of these HD threads where someone is pulling out a large, heavy rifle are forgetting one thing, these are large, heavy rifles. In a perfect HD scenerio, the BD would break the glass while you are sitting in bed reading a book giving you time. In reality, it'll be 2 AM, you'll be half asleep and 100% juiced up on adreniline. The best HD would be something small, light weight, semi-auto, able to put the BG down with one less than ideal hit but have the round be light enough to limit over-penetration or use frangibles.

 

[GigaBuist]

Which one do you use the most? That's the answer.

Just find a proper HD load for it.

 

[Cosmoline]

This exact topic has come up at least three times before. Please use the search function.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=254680

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=162646

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=46134

Plus, the carbine for HD topic has been debated about two dozen times in the past two years.

 

[sixgunner455]

These are all things I had considered with the P89, but my main issue with using it is that I bought it primarily as a range gun that can shoot cheap 9mm ammo. And cheap 9mm means FMJ. Hollow points are typically twice the price of FMJ if I'm lucky, and usually a lot more, so I have yet to buy a box. I've heard/read that any ammo should be able to run ~200 rounds through the gun before carrying, and I think that seems reasonable. I don't feel justified in spending the several hundred dollars it would cost to run 200 rounds of high quality HP 9mm ammo through the gun.

Also, most 9mm SD ammo looks to be +p. Is that safe in the P89?

P89 should be fine with any non-"submachinegun-only" 9mm ammunition.

You have shot lots of ball ammo through this gun. Shoot a couple of boxes of hollowpoints through it. Yes, it's a little expensive. 20 rounds per box, 15 dollars, 20x10=200 rounds. 15x10=150 dollars. Not several hundred dollars. Expensive? Yes. Or you could shoot Remington green box 115 grain hollow points that come in 100 round boxes for 15 dollars a box, shoot a couple hundred of them as your "prove it works with hollow points", and even use them as your defense rounds if money is so tight that you can't spend 30 bucks for a couple of boxes of premium ammo that you will never shoot, because it just sits in your gun between range sessions.

 

[benEzra]

Of those three, unless you live in a non-built-up area, I'd lean toward the P-89 loaded with Cor-Bon 115gr +P JHP's, which sort of split the difference between standard pressure 9mm and .357.

 

[BADUNAME13]

Quote:

"Any of you military guys have any first hand experience with the effectiveness/penetration/over-penetration of FMJ 9mm?"

One of our assaultmen shot a Haji trying to set off a IED with an M9...
~ 5meters to contact range.

3 strings of fire:
-5 or 6: All in the chest, haji falls down, gets back up
-5 or 6: (one string was of 5 one was of 6) same results as before.
-Sgt Beard was closing with him while shooting.
The last 2 shots were contact (Or nearly so) shots to the head.

Shots 12 and 13 out of 15 finally put him down.

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I used to do WW2 renactments before I enlisted. I was at one carrying an 03' and a 1911 in a tanker holster. This old guy comes over to me and starts talking to me. Asks about the 1911. we talk...
He says: 'I had one of those, this 'I tal Ion' (That's how he said it)
shot me 6-7 times with one of those 9mm's.
(At this point he lifts his shirt and I see 1/2 dozen old bullet scars.)
He then tells me he shot him with his 1911 once.
(This is 50 years later...)

Topic shifts... but I remember.

 

[Killian]

SKS. 7.62x39...with plastic core.

 

[TargetTerror]

One of our assaultmen shot a Haji trying to set off a IED with an M9...
~ 5meters to contact range.

3 strings of fire:
-5 or 6: All in the chest, haji falls down, gets back up
-5 or 6: (one string was of 5 one was of 6) same results as before.
-Sgt Beard was closing with him while shooting.
The last 2 shots were contact (Or nearly so) shots to the head.

Shots 12 and 13 out of 15 finally put him down.

That is either very impressive or very scary (and possibly both). It doesn't say a lot for 9mm FMJ.

But, of course, the next question is, how much more effective are the HPs? Anyone have any direct experience in a shooting with any of them?

 

[JShirley]

SKS. 7.62x39...with plastic core.

I wouldn't use plastic core without extensive testing. I bought a huge quantity of PC ammo years ago by a seller who claimed it was a "anti terrorist" round.

(In reality, of course, it's a short-range training round.)

This was the only ammo I've had that caused several of my Comblock (SKSs and a MAK-90) rifles to malfunction...I traded it off to a dealer who'd treated me badly.

J

 

[Nasty Jack]

Let's hear it for the jerks who "chop down trees" with a firearm.

I went into an alder grove that had been leveled by auto rifle fire. The sheriff and admin from state and national forest services are looking for the culprits.

In Oregon it is UNLAWFUL to shoot into a tree.

 

[gc70]

Over-penetration? The bayonet on my SKS is only 9 inches long.