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well, it is 1:30 pm and I just got off the phone with Sam. He finally was able to contact RRA he quoted me a price and said it would be a 4 to 6 week wait. I said I'll be out there in a while to give you some money. He said alright see you then. So, Finally all appears right with the world for the moment. Now the hard part....waiting.
 
I think in the internet age information is so readily available that we forget there is still a physical world out there where actual human beings make things, and that this world has physical limits on how much people can do in a day.
 
Our local shop does a good job of doing what they can to take care of the Customer. Some of these gun shop stories make me feel lucky.
 
I went to Sams shop this afternooon after calling him. He told me how much the rife was going to cost with tax and asked me how much I wanted to put down on the rifle. I just shook my head, grinned. I told him all of it. His eyes got wide an just started writting a reciept and giving me all of the details. I am more than happy to wait the 4 to 6 weeks he told me. If it comes sooner I will be even happier.
 
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After 10 weeks to the day I walked in and ordered the rifle Sam calls me and tells me my rifle is in. I have moved four hours away from Sams' shop since I ordered the rifle. I walk in he drags the dox out of the corner. Pulls out a white form. I start filling it out and I ask him if everything is alright with the rifle. He says he had not looked at it but sure everything should be fine since RRA packs their rifles good. I fill out the form while he calls in for approval. After evrything was done. I crack the seal to take a quick look at the rifle. The first thing that hits me in face was that it was an A2 not the A4 like I had ordered. I felt the heat rising to my head. I kept cool. I looked at Sam and said, "Sam it's an A2 not and A4. I specifically asked for an A4." In the few seconds of silence that transpired. I thought, (1) I intend on using this rifle for service rifle matches. I have to use the irons anyway. (2) There was no way I was going to wait several more weeks if not another 10weeks for him to have the issue of the rifle or upper changed out then drive another 8 hours round trip to pick it up. So, I decided to keep the rifle. I was and am happy with the rifle. I told Sam that since I intended to use the rifle for service rifle matches it would surfice and I would take it. I closed the case picked it up and walked out the door and swore that despite the fact I moved away too far to frequent his shop I would never give him my business again.
 
EDITED TO SAY: The man said A4, My bad, I should read more carefully, I am as messed up as a football bat, and will make some attempt to correct my deficientcys, sorry.
have been wanting to shoot in NRA Highpower service rifle for sometime
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Not to really rain on your parade, but you are severely handycapping yourself by trying to shoot a M4 in National Match, High Power, Service Rifle.

Its got a way short sight radius, no way to mount a freefloat hanguard, its light, you gonna be wavin in the breeze off hand, and the 600 yd slow fire stage is gonna be real fun with that 14.5 inch barrel, and RO's frown on going selective during the rapid fire stages (oh yea, its not a real M4, so no select fire, and 16 inches... maby we should call it a M-Forgery)

M4's are wonderful for dismounting from an APC in the alley, or when you have to kill every MF in the room, but fall way short for precision distance work.
 
The first thing that hits me in face was that it was an A2 not the A4 like I had ordered
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The man said an A4, NOT an M4

A4s were recently made legal That means a flat top upper no carry handle.

A2 = carry handle

Both could be in 20" barrel which is what is used in service rifle competition.

A4 requires you add a detachable handle or some other legal iron sights, but allows you the option of using a scope mounted at the proper height for other competitions where that is legal.
 
I own a gunstore, and I'm a Rock River dealer. Let me give you a peek behind the curtain.

Rock River has a 6-8 week backlog. That means that if I order a gun tomorrow, it is going to take 6-8 weeks before it shows up. No matter how bad I want it right now. RRA is popular.

I sell a lot of RRA guns, and I seldom have any in stock. Why? Because I tend to sell them as fast as I get them in. My last unclaimed Entry Tactical sat on the shelf for two days.

Nobody answers the phone on Saturday. So you would have to wait until Monday.

Why no service rifles? Why lots of M4 types? Because I can't sell a carry handled gun anymore. I've got a screaming deal on a Colt HBAR and a Armalite NM rifle, and they've sat here for months. Nobody wants service rifle guns in my region, so I don't normally order new ones that can also sit here.

Gun dealers have to roll the dice and take a gamble on what to stock. Every single gun you see on that wall cost money to get there. Dealers have to guess what to stock, because every dime spent on something that doesn't sell is a dime that could have been spent on something that will sell. The problem is figuring out what that is going to be.
 
It never ceases to amaze me that people would spend extra for the collapsible stock and short barrel - for those who will not be jumping out of an airplane with their new AR-15, the full length barrel with fixed stock usually provides more value for the money (IE greater accuracy at any range and higher bullet velocity/less flash and noise), although it is 4" longer...
 
Redloki

My observation about the vast majority of gunstores (that I patronize) is that they are staffed by hourly workers who know little about guns and could care less about their boss.

They are on a clock, just waiting until five-o'clock. That's all they care about.

You, as a customer, are insignificant in their eyes. Anymore, I have learned to not expect information/help from these people. When I'm shopping for a gun I'll have all my facts beforehand since most of these idiots know little about anything other than rap music.
 
I want to shoot service rifle matches. As I said before I had looked all over the state to buy a NM AR-15. I wasn't really being brand specific at the time even though I had a RRA in mind from the very good things people say about them. I knew that RRA had a long wait and was hoping to not have to order a rifle. The only thing I found in the traditional A2 configuration at that time were a couple of very used Colts. If either of those would have been new I might have opted for one of those. Reports say that the RRA NM A4 have plenty of elevetion to get you out to 600, so, if I had to order one I thought an A4 would be more utitilitarian over all and I could throw on some optics if I wanted. Correia, I understand why I had a hard time finding one. I understand dealers stock what the majority of people want and what I wanted had to be ordered. If someone walks into your shop lays down cash and wants you to order a rifle, assuming you do not have one in stock. Do you not make sure that you order the correct rifle and check to see if you recieved the correct rifle when it comes in? He had five days to look at the rifle. I am happy with the rifle. It will do what I want. I have spent the morning handling and dry fireing it trying to get use to the trigger. I am just unhappy with Sams' service. I have no doubt that he would make it right in the long run if I had decided to persue that avenue. I was just not willing to invest that kind of time or money into running back and forth to make it so. Something else I thought of after my last post. I paid for an A4 and recieved an A2. I am waiting till my birthday saturday to get to the range and put it through it's paces.
 
P&R, while this can be very true. Sam is the owner and only employee. His shop is in the middle of nowhere beside his house and welding shop and you would not know he had a gunstore there if it were not for the very small sign at the end of the road. It a nice place really. He even has a range out back.
 
Redloki, I understand. And I run a good gunstore. I try not to screw up. Any employee of mine who is ignorant to a customer will be beaten to death on the spot for customer satisfaction. :)

BTW, the A4 costs less than the A2. So if you paid the A4 price, you got a better deal on that A2. The standard A4 doesn't ship with any sort of iron sights.
 
According to their website they are shipping the A4 NM with the handle and they are showing the A4 MSRP at $50 more. That is how I reached those conclusions. I am curious to know what your dealer price is.
 
I doubt this really matters to you since you already have your rifle, but I picked up my RRA NM A2 about six months ago from one "Ton 80" at www.gunbroker.com. Just type in "Rock River NM" in their search bar, and a bunch of his auctions will come up.

Even at that time, I want to say that the various RRA rifles (particularly their standard A2) were in short supply, but he had mine in stock. It was in my hands within four days of me putting a personal check in the mail! I can't say enough good things about the rifle or the guy who sold it to me. Price-wise, I think I spent just under a grand after paying for shipping and my FFL's transfer fee.

Just thought I'd share my experience; hope some of you find it helpful.

Regards,

PG
 
Man, wait all that time and its the WRONG rifle.......its not even my gun and Im really disappointed with Sam. What the hell Sam buddy.....sheez, I would have been steaming pissed.

I agree with the way you concluded your business, take the rifle as it will do what you need but I would have been walking out of Sams with some free magazines, ammo or case (or combo of the three). Sam orders the wrong rifle, Sam gets to make it up to me.......

When you left did you make it clear that Sams bad business practice cost him a customer.....that would have been VERY high on my list of things to do.
 
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