Should 18 Year Olds Be Allowed to CCW?

Should 18 Year Old's Be Allowed to CCW


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Absolutely not.

Having been 18 fairly recently, I'll consider my opinion the expert one.

One exemption would be Armed Forces. If you're old enough to serve your country, you've proven that you can be trusted to CCW without issue. And drink alcohol, if you want.


FYI, I haven't read the responses up until this point...
 
If it were for 18 - 21 who are in the military and have military ID I would say these people have earned the right to CCW

They have also earned the right to own Black rifles according to several VERY powerful people in government, that is a dangerous precedent.

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Just turning 18 doesnt teach responsibility, it doesnt illustrate the knowledge/responsibility that CCW demands

Then how do you explain VT at 16 and 12 others states at 18 as a non-issue when it comes to violent crime with this age group?
It goes back to what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
This gets tiresome among so-called pro-gunners.Very,very tiresome.:evil:
 
The problem is 18 is basically an arbitrary number. I know a 15 year old who is more mature than a 24 year old. The whole thing is so subjective but I think a great majority of 18 year olds would be responsible enough.
 
This is interesting.

Here we are, a bunch of pro-gun fellers who believe we have the right to keep and bear arms. And it appears around 1/5th of us feel like -we- can carry a gun if we wish, but our kids can't.

Maybe you ought to take your children shooting and work on their upbringing so they -ARE- trustworthy and mature enough.
 
I've been shooting guns since I was 5.

I bought my first gun on my 18th birthday, it was a converted Saiga.

On my 21st birthday, I wasn't excited to finally be able to legally purchase alcohol. I was excited I could finally buy a handgun. I got a P239SAS that day.

I'll ask, what's the difference between your average 18 year old and your average 21 year old? Answer:

The average 18 year old is likely a freshman in college and drinking themselves blind.

The average 21 year old is likely a senior in college and drinking themselves blind before they head into the real world.

At my ripe old age of 22, I know people in my age group who are irresponsible, pot smoking, morons. You can draw an arbitrary line anywhere you want but in our society it seems to be 18. So if someone at 18 wants to have a handgun and carry it, let them. But I'm willing to bet most of them could care less. And the few who do are likely the most mature in their age group.
 
if you can trust a stupid 16-year-old with a car of all things, then I don't see the problem with trusting a somewhat less stupid 18-year-old with a car plus everything else.
 
The balance between freedoms (there really are no such things as "rights") and restrictions is a delicate one. If everybody were self-responsible and highly competent, a completely deregulated society would be both functional and stable. Unfortunately, that isn't the case at present - so where do we draw the line?

The problem with age restrictions is that, again, not all people are created (or raised) equally. I've known some 18 year olds whose poise, integrity, and competence would easily exceed that of many people twice their age. I've known others who should probably still be sleeping in a crib (at which point they're probably a lost cause as it stands). The effective solution is to implement a meritocratic approach: do not simply deny people an opportunity for superficial reasons, but do make them earn it.

I've always favored a "universal age" approach to issues such as these. Once you are a legal adult (18, suppose), you ought to be granted all of the powers inherent in that distinction - or, at least, the open opportunity to acquire those powers. If it were up to me, everything would be affixed to that age - driving, drinking, and voting, among others. Powers of a particularly great magnitude (e.g. driving, CCW, even voting) can then be delegated according to competency. I'm confident that most 18 year olds, given an appropriate upbringing and education, would have little trouble meeting what I would consider reasonable standards necessary for the acquisition of said powers. For what it's worth, I think it's absolutely absurd that we'll put a 16 year old at the controls of a 4000 lb vehicle, but won't let them buy a damn beer for another five years - really, it should be the other way around if anything!

The "irresponsibility" argument is spurious. As the military example demonstrates, training can eliminate or mitigate many of the potential problems that can arise from granting such power to supposedly "immature" people. In fact, that applies to anything or people of any age - I drove/raced in sanctioned motorsports competitions as a teen and was a far more competent (and responsible) driver by 18 than the vast majority of people are at any point in their lives. If it's such an issue, why not simply mandate additional training/competency requirements for younger CCW applicants? Biologically, most people have reached a state of near-complete maturity by 18 - the rest is simply a consequence of environment.

Really, we reap what we sow - if we want to create a restrictive nanny state which assigns restrictions in an arbitrary manner, we will also create people who function best under such conditions (i.e. helpless and incompetent). As somebody who spent some years studying the Classics, I can't help but note that the average Roman noble was expected to speak numerous languages, possess an almost encyclopedic knowledge of Greek literature, and command armies by the time he reached his early 20s (I also should note that the Roman government did not even have a sanctioned police force, let alone any sort of regulatory agency). Were they really any better than we are?
 
I didnt vote in the poll. It has always been my stance that age should not be the determining factor for very many things. Proper training and the ability to demonstrate your competance should be the true issues. I do agree that if you are old enough to carry an M-16 then you should have any rights that are afforded every other adult citizen. After all, the soldier is putting his life on the line to defend his fellow citizens rights. He deserves (at the very least) the same rights he is fighting for.
 
I do agree that if you are old enough to carry an M-16 then you should have any rights that are afforded every other adult citizen. After all, the soldier is putting his life on the line to defend his fellow citizens rights. He deserves (at the very least) the same rights he is fighting for.

Then why didn't you vote in the affirmative,Scot?
I don't understand.
 
We tried the 18 yr. old drinking age in Texas and it didn't work. We raised the age to get a drivers license for a reason. Being a highschool teacher and seeing these immature kids everyday, I vote NO. Sure there are some among them, but who are you going to entrust with making that decision? What age group commits most of the crime locally? You guessed it - 14 to 20 year olds. My oldest son just got out of the military after 8 years. Sure he shot some big stuff, BUT under very controlled military conditions. My best friend's son was in the Marines. He can't shoot worth a hoot. Not very careful either. I know first hand that his dad taught him better. Too many gang-bangers with no criminal record who have guns already. I was 18 once, a long time ago, and I understand the feeling, but somethings need a lot more reason in a decision than just age. Turning 18 ain't no miracle.
 
Yep.
I can't think of any reason why a 18 year old college student's life is worth any less than mine.

And for those who doubt the ability of a 18 year old to be responsible enough to handle a firearm, I'd just like to say that when I was 18 someone thought I was trustworthy enough to allow me to use explosives.
Even a small amount of Composition B or TNT can cause a lot more damage than any handgun I've ever seen.
And before you say "well you were supervised by someone", I'd like to point out that it wouldn't have been any challenge at all for me to have swiped a little HE for my own uses.
Again, I was trusted not to.

All the arguments that the naysayers used to argue against an 18 yo carrying a gun can also apply to any other group.
No matter what age group or income tax bracket you're looking at, you can always find enough morons to try to justify more restrictions on our rights.
So where does it end?
Can't trust those redneck hillbillies - many of them didn't even graduate high school and an awful lot of them skipped going to college. They just aren't educated enough to be trusted with a gun.
They are not the kind of people we want armed.
What about old people? They're shakey and their eyesight isn't so good. They might accidentally kill someone.
They are also not the kind of people we want armed.
What about those inner city minorities? Every time they disagree with something they go start a riot and burn their neighborhoods down.
They are not the kind of people we want armed either.

Actually, I bet if you thought about it long enough, you could stereotype just about anyone into an unsuitable candidate for a CCW permit.
 
I got my first one when I was 18. Haven't shot anyone since.
 
I just don't get it. Why do people even have to debate issues like this? We have real life data to look at, but people put more faith in their own imaginings and prejudices.

Should 18 year olds be allowed to CCW? New Hampshire Doesn't seem to be having a problem with it.
Should people be allowed to open carry? Arizona is doing just fine thank you.
Should carry be allowed in establishments that serve alcohol? The good people of Colorado are handling it pretty well.

There are numerous real world examples of states that allow each of these things and all of them have proven that they are not the issues some of us make them out to be.

Concern about 18 year olds being allowed to carry is no more founded in reality than the stuff the antis drag out each time shall issue CCW is introduced in another state. "There will be blood in the streets! Shootouts over parking spaces! Traffic jam massacres! Think of the children!":barf:
 
How many Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, DSC, AF Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star recipients were too young to legally own firearms or buy alcohol under today's PC/ Lawyered-up standards?
Yeah, what a collection of "irresponsible" under 21 yr olds.
To be opposed to the legal ownership of a handgun by someone who has the constitutionally protected right to vote ( an 18 yr old) is nothing more than unconstitutional.
If you feel an 18 yr old service member has no right to own a handgun, congratulations! You have, to some degree, absorbed and accepted the liberal/socialist indoctrination/agenda that is destroying this country, our schools and the very fabric of our society.
In willfully denying the rights of these young adults, perhaps those of you who agree w/ the status quo wouldn't mind giving up your rights as well?
I guess Nikita Krushchev was right when he stated, " America will become socialist with out the USSR ever firing a shot."
As was Chairman Mao's " A people get the government they deserve."
Thanks to many of our own, their words are becoming very prophetic indeed.
 
Weeeeelllllll....

I may need my asbestos suit here in a minute, but I didn't let either of my younger sons get their driver's licenses until they were 18. My daughter, who was far and away the most mature of all our kids, didn't get hers until she was past 17 either (and I might add, the day after she got it, she smacked into the neighbor's car across the street) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I had a reason for that, apart from my innate control freak nature. :p It is simply that most 17- and 18-year olds are still developing that frontal lobe that helps drive the self control, foresight, planning, and judgement that we all hope people behind the wheel, or with a gun, have. So it doesn't bother me a whole lot if an 18 year old can't carry a gun.

However, before the flaming nukes start falling.... it isn't the government's business to make that determination. It's the parents. Just like we did about the driver's licenses. If a 16 year old is mature, responsible, and shows good judgment, then it ought to be the parents' right...with concomitant responsibility... to let him or her carry. Or to withhold it if they're not.

So the answer to the question is: if your parents say it's ok. :p

Springmom
 
I most definitely sit on the fence. I see lots of 18 - 20 yo's who I would trust with a CCW. I see lots of 21+ I would not. I could support either way.

I was in the Military, I would say that in most cases it you have completed boot camp, then you have proven yourself able to do lots of things, CCW would be one for sure. As well as drink, etc, etc. But just talking about it don't count for me. Do it, don't talk about it. Yes, I know this will be unpopular, but I would grant lots of additional rights to those who serve, not to those who just benefit without really doing anything to earn that right.:fire:

And, even in the military you do not just walk around with a loaded weapon all the time, and you sure do not CCW. (at least you did not in 1970 - 1978, yes...long time ago)

Anytime we use age as a basis to make a judgment on anything we run into problems. I think we do it to establish a standard, it just becomes problematic.
 
Man I can argue this thread all year long but what good will it do? If you think a 18 yr old can and you can justify it to your self then great.

If you can justify a 18 yr old not having ccw rights then great.

Bottom line no matter which side you are on there are more people in decision making positions that feel they cant. Until that changes they wont. my last .02 on this subject.
 
If 18 is old enough to fight and die for one's country, operate military equipment, vote, and be legally considered an adult, then there should be no further restrictions than for any other adult (guns/CCW, alcohol, etc.). The rules need to be uniform. It makes no sense under the current system.

If some want it to be 21, then it should be 21 for military service, voting rights, etc. We need uniform laws. Either you're an adult, or you aren't. You're not an adult for war, but a child for Second Amendment rights, but an adult for voting, but a child for drinking alcohol. It doesn't make sense. Unify it one way or another.
Agreed.You are either an adult and full citizen, or you arent.

At 18 years of age, the brain hasnt fully matured yet. The last part of the brain to mature is the frontal lobe that deals with RATIONAL DECISION MAKING. This is one of the reasons why teenagers of this age have much higher incidents of car accidents.

With a CCW comes the ULTIMATE responsibility of rational decision making. An 18 year old doesnt have the ability to do this effectively. Now there ARE mature 18 year olds out there. They do exist. But the fact is medically, at 18 years of age, the majority of teenagers arent fully rational (parents know this well I bet)

BTW the brain fully matures from 21-23 years of age.
If true, then they cant be trusted to join the military and have control aver weapons FAR more dangerouse than a handgun, and be allowed in situation where thier lack of "rational decision making" skills can get soldiers and civillians killed. They shouldnt be allowed to be cops either.

Again, adult or not, full rights/responsibilities or not. If at 18 you can be a cop with a gun in dangerous situations, or in the Marines with belt fed MG's, grenades. LAW/TOW/Stingers missiles, etc, then you can be trusted with a Glock or 1911 in the mall. Make it 18 for full rights, or make it 19,20,21, 35, whatever, but it should be the same for everything. You are either old enought to carry a gun around poeple, or you arent. 18 year olds dont magically become safer carrying a gun when they put on a cop or military uniform.They are the same as they were developmentally the moment before.

I have no dog in this fight, as I'm well past 21, I just dont like the idea of "Partial citizens/adults" with partial rights,nor do I like arbitrary rules/limits, especially when it come to rights and adult privledges.
 
Best answer I can give at this point in time is...I don't know yet. I'm of mixed feelings on it at the moment.
 
As you may have noticed, even the minimum driving age is being raised. Drinking age was raised in many states to 21. I doubt 18 is going to happen in most states. I honestly have no strong opinion on the subject nor would I lobby to have the current status quo changed. This has nothing to do with the constitution or pre-21 year olds serving in the military. The military is VERY structured and they receive a ton of training in comparison to civilians.

Age 21 is just a number. However, in our society, there are certain changes in lifestyle that happen at about age 21. Most young people if they were raised in a good home still live at the family home at age 18. The point is that most 18 years olds in my opinion are not mature enough to carry a handgun in most public places. There are always exceptions.

There is time to learn and grow up. Give them a chance to do so. Some would say, that is just the point.
 
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