Should a gun be in a properly outfitted bug out bag?

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Even the red cross recommends keeping a 72 hour emergency kit on hand. At it's core that is basically what we are talking about, but one that is mobile.

I keep a Ruger Single Six and a box of .22 hp's in my "72 hour emergency kit" bag. This is not a replacement of my normal CCW sidearm, but a back up utility gun that could do many things.
 
I have a GSG 22 in my bug out bag.

I carry a Kimber 1911 and two mags on my belt ALWAYS. In addition to what I keep in my pockets, I have a small pouch that can be clipped to my belt that contains some basic things like band-aids, aspirin, multi-tool and even an LCP and spare mag. This is part of my EDC. I also keep a 24 hour bag in my car with a small amount of food, water, fire-steel, matches, lighter, 2 spare mags for my primary etc. My Bug out bag also contains 2 spare mags for my primary. My BOB is geared toward buggin' out in the woods but I could survive comfortably in a hotel room I suppose.:D
 
You guys advocating .22s to live off the land, good luck doing that when everyone else is attempting to do the same.

If I'm carrying a Glock 17, then there is a Glock 26 in the bag, with extra G17 magazines which will work in either.

A few months ago the apartment building where I was staying caught on fire, while I was in the shower. I grabbed my BoB and my boots and ran out the door. In the parking lot with other folks in various stages of undress, I was able to get dressed and ready for the day, and arm myself, using only what I had in the bag.
 
A few thoughts.

Bugging out to the wilderness is pretty unrealistic. Most real bug out situations that happen are disasters, natural or man made. In either case, expect big crowds, lots of authorities (FEMA, LEO, Fire, EMS, etc), mass confusion, and scarce resources. It may be tempting in that situation to run to the woods and try toughing it out. But unless you and your family are experienced at that sort of thing, it's going to get uncomfortable and dangerous very quickly. At least there's MREs, space blankets, and bottled water at disaster relief centers. Don't count on being able to haul enough of that out into the woods to last any real amount of time, especially if you have children or untrained adults with you.

The most realistic goal, IMO, is to get to an unaffected urban zone as safely and low-key as possible. That means picking clothes, bags, guns and holsters that blend in. A paddle holster would be best I think. Something you can take completely off and stash in a bag or somewhere else if you need to. No sense in coming up on a checkpoint and having your gun confiscated because your tactical thigh holster gave it away. MOLLE bags and camo stick out like a sore thumb. As does most 5.11 gear to LEOs and military who have been doing it for a few years.

Keep your gear light, necessary, and low key. Don't draw attention to yourself from either thieves or LEOs. Have cash, some moderately expensive non-cash items for bartering, spare ID (DL, birth certificate, passport), a high-limit credit card you don't use much (in case the hotel fees stack up), and a durable cell phone with some way to keep it charged. I would recommend one of those chargers that charges 2 AA batteries while either plugged in or through solar, and can be used in turn to charge any USB device. This will allow you to charge your phone normally if you have access to outlets, or through packs of AA batteries, or even through solar charged AA batteries if you have nothing else.

Now as far as keep a gun in the bag, I would say yes. Keep a small concealable gun in the bag with 1 or 2 spare mags. This allows you to A: arm someone else if you need to. B: rearm yourself if you lose your primary gun (such as through confiscation), and C: arm yourself in the first place if you didn't have your primary.

Also, keep a copy of your CPL (if you can get one) and copies of the purchase permit, registration, etc for the guns you plan on having, along with the IDs and such in a waterproof bag. If you do get caught with the gun by some out of state LEO or National Guardsmen who's there for the relief efforts, proving you're not some thug with a gun is going to be key. Documentation can't hurt you, but not having it can.

Other than that, leave the camping gear, camo, and tactical stuff at home. It's heavy, mostly useless, and will draw attention. Skip the living off the land fantasies and get yourself and your family to a safe civilized urban area. Roughing it in the wilderness is a fantasy and possibly a death sentance if you're not extra pepared and trained. Carry some protein/carb bars, bottled water, a multitool and knife, and at least 2 light sources(with available batteries) and some durable layered clothing that helps you blend in a crowd. Anything you plan on taking with you that uses electricity: GPS, cell phone, tacical lights, cameras, make sure they take batteries you can find in a normal people shop. CR123s might be hard to come by. I'd carry a tactical light that takes AA batteries. Same with portable chargers and such.

Travel light, blend in. Remember NOLA. The tough-guys in their 5.11 camo and slung AR-15s are going to be the first snatched up by LEOs if a disaster really hits. Go to your local mall, look at what guys in your age group are dressed like, and make yourself look like that. If you don't, eyes will be on you. And you don't want that.
 
I am guessing 98% of folks don't have the resources to "bug out". As long as your house doesn't burn down, bugging-in is more likely.
 
I am guessing 98% of folks don't have the resources to "bug out". As long as your house doesn't burn down, bugging-in is more likely.
It's more than just burning. It's tornado's, floods, hurricanes and anything else mother nature can throw at you. Not to mention looters like we saw volunteering during katrina. Everyone has the resources it's just everyday things that can get you by for at least 72 hours. It's not like you have to pack a seed bank of edible plants to survive in the woods.
 
It's a personal decision. My considerations include BOB stash location: children, accessibility, etc.. In a vehicle location the Glocks are a great choice for their durability per temp./humidity changes. Water tablets, gas masks, Israeli bandages, fire starting, ammo., etc.. With so many differing possibilities of the SHTF scenario, per travel afterwards, it really depends on your current life and travel habits, work, school, family, etc..
 
Why does everyone relate bug out bags to some form of zombie apocalypses or nuclear war and "living off the land?"

The last time I used my BoB was when my apartment caught on fire.

My post was directed at people packing a .22lr for shooting food critters, ie "living off the land". I doubt people are packing a .22lr revolver and brick of ammo for self defense.

Don't be so eager to jump down someone's throat, that you jump down the wrong one.
 
Why does everyone relate bug out bags to some form of zombie apocalypses or nuclear war and "living off the land?"

Because if you can do that, you can do anything you need to. Packing that much ammo in .22 is mostly because a 500-round brick isn't that much different than a 100-round box. I still only carry the 100, but that's because I prefer to shoot the other 400 on my own time.

Best choice is locking the doors and windows and checking the cabinets.
The BoB is the exact opposite: the ability to grab something on the way out the door in your shoes and a towel, and be able to survive.

You should have a second, less urgent bag for when you have time to open a closet. This is what Floridians call the hurricane box. Candles, flashlight, Sterno or a camp stove, a bit of nonperishable food, a very basic tool kit (a Leatherman, hammer, and screwdriver with bits are great), and the like. The BoB is the "this is going to suck" essentials that should be carried with any other method of getting out of Dodge.

Anyway, I think that if you put a gun in the bag, it should be a .22 rifle or small lightweight rifle in a medium caliber (.30-30, 7.62x39, etc.) or handgun cartridge. Something common and lightweight. Hunting with a handgun would suck when your life may depend on it, or if you're not an expert marksman. And trying to hunt when a group of other people have the same thought would suck enough already.

A handgun would be an excellent idea in a case like this, but in my case the bag contains only ammunition in two rifle calibers (in case I have time) and for my daily carry guns; the gun itself is already with me. I can always drop the .38 for the space or trade the 9mm for a meal or the 7.62x39 for a gallon of gas.

In my area, bugging out means widespread riots or a hurricane that has flooding to the second floor. In both cases, there won't be any food to be had on the way out. A firearm could be essential for that, but I take the shortage into account and tossed enough ramen in to stave off starvation.

As far as I see it, though, having more than 3 days of compact food and the bare essentials, it's more a prepared camping bag. The guys that go further and put in three bricks of .22 and a can of 5.56, a six-person tent, and vegetable seeds don't have a bugout bag, they have a plan to move into the woods.
 
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I keep a 22 revolver in mine, kind of a just in case I can discard it if I need it. I'll have my ccw with me most of the time anyway( however if I need to shoot a rabbit or squirrel I'd prefer not using my lcp.
It's the same logic of my mg fire starter it docent weigh much and it could be useful so why not?

My bob is about 35lbs but has about a gallon of water and food which doesn't need to be hydrated. My bags job is to give me flexibility if I'm at an aid station I can stay comfortable if I get stranded outside I can spend the night outside comfortably. I can make it 3 days without any help if traveling to a safer location. To me a gun is nice to have you can always throw it away if you don't need it.
 
The last time I used my BoB was when my apartment caught on fire.

My post was directed at people packing a .22lr for shooting food critters, ie "living off the land". I doubt people are packing a .22lr revolver and brick of ammo for self defense.

Don't be so eager to jump down someone's throat, that you jump down the wrong one.
a .22 would come in handy if you live in a rural area and a hurricane like katrina came in so I don't know what your complaining about. A .22lr might not be a great defense weapon but it's a nice little tool to have.
 
Don't be so eager to jump down someone's throat, that you jump down the wrong one.

Please confine the throat-jumping to PMs, or just leave it to the staff, who will also confine it to non-public areas of the forum whenever possible...
 
I have just started putting together a tote with first aid and preparedness items. It's interesting trying to find a balance between things you might really use during a slow to medium decline that you can sit out in your house or a urgent situation which would require running for the hills (rural area). I'd prefer to hunker down with my 50 gallon hot water tank of potable water, personally. :)
 
My BOB is basically my hiking bag with a little more stuff.

Hiking Bag

  • Water - Canteen, Filter & Tablets
  • Fire - Matches, Lighter, Flint
  • 1st Day of Food - MRE, Jerkey and Trail Mix
  • First Aid - Light/Medium Wounds Kit, Mechanical Injury Kit, Bite Kit
  • Light - Small Flash Light and Small Candle
  • Tools - Folding Knife, Multi Tool, Compass, Small Roll of Duct Tape
  • Clothing (Not on Body) - Extra Socks, Light Pancho, gloves
  • Light Blanket

Bug Out Bag - Hiking Bag + List Below

  • 3-5 Days of High Calorie MRE
  • Single Person Light Weight Hiking Tent
  • Mess Kit - Light weight Pot and Firesafe Cup
  • First Aid - Heavy Wounds Kit, Disease/Infection Kit, Surgical Kit
  • Light - LED Medium Sized Flash Light, Extra Batteries
  • Tools - Folding Shovel, Glock Model 81, Snare Wire, 550 Cord
  • Emergency Radio
  • Binoculars
  • 9mm Glock + Extra Clip
  • Sanitation - Anti-Bacterial Soap, Toilet Paper, Tooth Brush/Paste, & Sun Block

Amenities I Might Take If Possible

  • Small Gasification Stove
  • Sleeping Bag
  • Folding Saw
  • Glock 21
  • Ak-47 :D
  • Ammo
  • Gun Cleaning Kit
 
How do people plan on getting all those rifles and bricks on ammo through the FEMA and National Guard checkpoints? Handguns can be easily hidden, rifles, not so much.

Folding stocks and SBRs would be my guess. I haven't tried it, but looking at the sizes of my underfolder AK and my Alice Pack, it looks like there is a decent chance that my rifle could fit inside. Or if you're ok with bringing along a decent sized duffel bag, I know I can get my full sized FAL inside if I separate the upper and lower receivers. Granted, it's not anywhere near instantly ready if the need arises, but it could be hidden well enough to get through a very cursory search (as I would expect at FEMA checkpoints during an evacuation). Ammo would be pretty easy, just unbox it and throw loose rounds into a ziplock bag and stuff it in with your clothes.

During the beginning stages of a disaster and evacuation, FEMA will (or at least should be) more concerned with the speed at which they can get people out rather than wasting time searching everybody as they come through. IIRC weapon confiscation in NOLA only occurred after the main evacuation and was spearheaded by the local police.

I'm actually thinking about adding a pistol to my collection just for BOB duty. Kinda stuck between a good deal on a used .40 cal Glock, a G19 or a Makarov. (yes, I know. But it's half the cost of the other two! :eek:)
 
My collapsible AK47 is 34" so it fit's nicely in a duffel bag mixed in with other such bags and what not. When Katrina hit I never really saw anyone searching cars or us volunteers. I dunno about bricks of ammo but an extra mag of 9mm and 150 rounds of 7,62x39 in 5 mags isn't a "brick." Besides if I EVER need to reach for the ak on the way out the door it's because there are no authorities left to worry about...
 
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