should i buy rem. 700 cdl sf ?

[garza]

Here's the deal. I was looking around the gun shops for a sako a7 or browning x-bolt in .25-06. When I came across a remington 700 cdl sf in a .257 roberts. Its beautiful. It has a nice looking wood stock with a stainless fluted barrel and some engraving on the hinged floor plate.
I was looking for the browning cuz I wanted something nice with a wood stock. But was thinking the sako with syn. Stock cuz of the accuracy garautee.
I really like the way the way the remington looked & couldn't find a browning or sako anywhere to handle. Sooo...should I get the remington & can I expect good accuracy from it ?

 

[Uncle Mike]

should I get the remington & can I expect good accuracy from it ?

Should you get the Remington...if the aesthetics suit you....yes, get it.
Can you expect good accuracy out of it, well, maaaaaybe! Maybe not, most Remington rifles made anew don't shoot all that well and have been experiencing numerous problems as to their mechanical operation.

However, you will get sufficient deer killing accuracy from any Remington, contrary to popular belief nowadays, they all don't shoot into a wash bucket at 100y, but do 1.250" to 1.5" or so, many doing better than that!

Your Sako, with its useless accuracy guarantee, will do that!

 

[garza]

worthless accuracy garuantee

Yeah I don't why I get caught up on the whole accuracy deal. If it'll shoot 1.25 or 1.5" it'll kill what I'm shooting at. What about the .257 robert as an all around cartridge for texas. Deer/pigs/coyotes/coons etc.
Thanks for the reply. Oh yeah what did u mean maaaaybe. I mean can I at least expect 1.5" groups @ 100 yards

 

[ArmedBear]

I mean can I at least expect 1.5" groups @ 100 yards

I realize that you can hit a deer at 100 yards with 1.5 MOA accuracy, but honestly, in the modern world, that's sure not worth a "high-end" price.

The problem with Remingtons in 2010 isn't that they don't throw lead in the direction they're pointed. The problem is that they cost too much for what they do and how well they do it. Also, can anyone explain why the CDL-SF, a "light" rifle, weighs 7.5 lbs. stripped?

 

[Uncle Mike]

Oh yeah what did u mean maaaaybe. I mean can I at least expect 1.5" groups @ 100 yards

Well, some wont do that well...turds, if you will! Some shoot into 1.5"...some wont! It isn't like the old days when every Remington off the shelf would pop a nickle or dime at 100y!

If you want that kind of accuracy out of the box, consider getting a Savage!
Excellent accuracy, and we have not been seeing any problems with this brand.

The Savage 14 American or American Classic doesn't look all that bad! They would match the Remingtons looks if Savage would deep six that crappy semi-gloss finish on the stocks, but all in all they don't look too bad.

The accuracy and dependability will out-weigh the looks, and like an ugly dog, after a while, it's the best looking bog around, in your opinion. lol hehehehehe

And the cost!!!!! You get better accuracy and dependability for around $200 less, which equates to better optics!

Why am I even saying this....check out a Savage 14 AC/C and decide for yourself! lol

let us know!

 

[Snakum]

If you buy it, you are taking your chances like the rest of us who have been burned by the the new Remington quality. It will likely hold 2" which is minute-of-deer. I have old 700s that are all around 2" or better and one 30-06 that will shoot clover leafs from a rest. And it might work properly, or it might not. It might have nice fit and finish, or it might not.

In short ... if you want to be sure it will work properly and shoot well you should buy an older well cared for, used Remington.

Or you could buy a new Savage 14 which will shoot awesome groups and save money and have less of a chance of buying a problem with a new Remington.

Your money.

 

[garza]

check out the savage

Thank u mike. I will definately look into the savage. I hear nothing but good about them & mixed reviews on remington.

 

[ArmedBear]

I recently bought a Model 70 Extreme Weather SS -- fluted stainless barrel, but in a B&C stock, not walnut. Mine weighs 7.5 lbs. WITH THE SCOPE ON IT.

The trigger is excellent, as in, it feels custom. The accuracy is excellent: it shoots groups under 1 1/2" at 200 yards, not 100. The safety locks the bolt if you want (I care about that in the brush) and it hasn't been known to allow the gun to go off when the bolt is closed. It can be had, new retail, for a tad less than the CDL SF.

It just doesn't come in .25 caliber. .270, though, is no sweat.

I'm very happy with the thing. If you are ready to spend the money on a CDL SF, you really do owe yourself a look at the new Winchesters, also, before you buy one. (Featherweight stainless is supposed to be available now, too, at a fair amount less than a CDL SF, if you want a stainless/walnut rifle).

 

[Fremmer]

Check on the Savage this way:

Put the Remington CDL right next to the Savage rifle. Compare the fit, finish, and wood. Work the bolt and compare how smooth the travel is on each. Hold each up to your shoulder.

Personally, I'd go with the CDL. JMHO.

Will you reload or buy the .257 Roberts?

 

[Uncle Mike]

Damit! Yeah, check out the Winchester Featherweight, an excellent rifle by anyones standards!

Thanx AB!

i'm going home.......

oh, and the 257 is killer, love it!

 

[ArmedBear]

Put the Remington CDL right next to the Savage rifle. Compare the fit, finish, and wood. Work the bolt and compare how smooth the travel is on each. Hold each up to your shoulder.

That's how I ended up with the Winchester... Certainly not a current Remington, and that's not even considering the lack of a bolt lock on the Remington "hunting" rifle...

 

[Uncle Mike]

That's how I ended up with the Winchester...

......

 

[ArmedBear]

The Winchester, however, doesn't come in any .25 caliber chamberings, AFAIK, if you must have that.

 

[garza]

reloading for .257 roberts

I plan on reloading. I just bought a reloading book. And looking into a reloading kit. Just something I want to get into. As for the .257 roberts, I'm not dead set on it. Its just what the remington was. But I kinda like it now that I looked some stuff up on the cartridge. It seems to be a good in betweener as far as recoil and power goes & that's what I'm looking for.
Thanks for the suggestions on rifles I will definately check those out.
Oh yeah any suggestions on a reloading kit. The rock chucker is the only one I've checked out.

 

[Fremmer]

Then you won't have a supply issue with ammo. I hunted with a friend who used the .257 Roberts on deer, and it performed very well.

Buy the Remington. I'll bet it'll like your handloads! My .308 Remmie will shoot more accurately than my skills will allow.

 

[bpl]

Garza,

I have a M700 CDL (not SF) in 7mm-08 and it is quite accurate out of the box. I really like it. I'd say if you have looked at the M700 CDL SF and are happy with the workmanship and cartridge, then get it. If reloading, I'm sure you can get it to shoot 1.5" or less. If not, you can have a gunsmith do some work on it if necessary.

I really like the .257 Roberts! I have it in the Kimber 84M, nice and lightweight rifle in a cartridge that doesn't kick too bad. I think it would take care of anything in TX no problem!

I don't reload... yet.

With all that said, you owe it to yourself to check out the new Winchester M70. I have the Extreme Weather SS in 30-06, same as Armedbear, and its a very, very nice rifle! My only problem with it is the 13.75" LOP is too long for me, especially wearing heavy winter clothing. I'm 5'7", if that helps. The B&C Medalist stock it comes with is very nice and my current plan is to replace it with the same stock with a reduced LOP, probably in the black with gray webbing.

 

[garza]

remington cdl

I do like the workmanship. But heck I don't know a whole lot about rifles. This will be my second centerfire rifle purchase & just don't want to pay big bucks for a mediocre gun. U guys are right about the reloads & gunsmith work. I feel like I should get a pretty good shooter for $950. Is that to much for the remington? And how much do the winchester & the savage run?

 

[Fremmer]

Is this the model you're talking about here?

 

[garza]

is this the one

I don't know my phone won't let me use that link. But I was just on budsguns site and I saw a 300 wsm in the same model for about the same price so I guess it aint too much. Thanks

 

[cal74]

I sure haven't heard any reliability or mechanical issues one of the first posters stated. The fit and finish isn't any where near as consistent on Remingtons in the last few years but they still put out a nice rifle.

The rifle your considering is a good looking gun, I had the same thing in .17 Fireball but sold it regrettably. I do think they're terribly over priced anymore, but if it's something you plan on keeping what's a 100-200 bucks over 20-30 years?

I bought one new Remington M 700 7mm-08 last year, Mountain rifle in a Ti Stock (made for Gander Mtn). Adjusted the trigger down to 3lbs. shot a box of Winchester Plain Jane ammo that it hated. Tried a box of Federal Premium and it couldn't have been happier.



Lots of good reviews on the new Winchester, you won't hear any negative comments on a Savage as far as it shoots, but personally I think they're ugly.

Most important thing in the end is to find something you like and that fits you. If you some real world reviews of the model your looking at head over to 24hourcampfire.com and post there.

 

[garza]

keeping it

Yep I plan on keeping the rifle I buy for a good while. Maybe give to my boy after he's big enuff to take care of it. It is a nice rifle.

 

[skiking]

While a some guys are bashing the recently made 700's accuracy the newer 700s that I own shoot much better than my older ones. I would expect that a newer 700 would give around 1 MOA. I personally wouldn't get the CDL SF if they have a regular CDL in 25-06, but if you really like it it is your choice.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Get the Remington....
Most of us around here have many rifles in many different calibers, and have been fooling with them forever!

This is why we bitch so much.....we can! The new Remingtons are nowhere near the rifle the older 700's where, we see declining accuracy and shortcuts in quality and an increasing price, not good.
Now all manufacturers have increased in price over the years, that is a given, but most manufacturers have at least kept the same, or have increased the quality overall of the piece.

If you raise the price, fine, but then offer me a rifle that 10 years ago shot a 1/2" at 100y and today, will struggle to do twice, or three times that much....what happened?

A bottle of Coke used to cost a nickle, now you'll drop a buck and a quarter on one, but it is still the same taste as the nickle stuff was, for the most part! hehehehe

Look, the CDL SF will do you fine, it is just that what your getting for the price, and the chance that it may turn out to be a turd, and the position of big greens customer service..... for some, it just isn't worth it!

The Tikka is a pretty rifle some say, I don't find it arousing, but you might, it will out pace the Remington more than likely and is darn near half the price...and we see far less Tikkas having mechanical problems than do the Remingtons. Savage is even better.

The new Winchesters are fine firearms, and they cost less...so most of the gripes are forthwith!

Like skiking said, he got a good one, many have not, so.....

I just put a CDL in 7mm-08 back for myself, here at the shop, it shot well, but I have the luxury of doing a pre-flight on some of my stuff.

If you like the CDL SF, get it, it's not going to be a total dog if at all, you just don't know for sure these days! You might get one that shoots one hole, bolt works fine, no binding, is accurate, or, you might get one that has to go back for warranty work....??

 

[DRYHUMOR]

I think if you look here

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=456134

You'll see what your rifle could do.

If you are looking at the Limited 257, it's worth buying. Nearly ever other offering has a 1:10 twist, but the Remmy Limited is 1:9.

 

[garza]

Yeah that's the one I'm looking to get. If I get it I hope it shoots like that.