Should Utah Allow CCW w/o Permits?

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I agree 100% with the posts oposing gov't imposed training.

I wonder if the governor doesn't like the end of the CCW permit revenue stream.
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Are you saying your research into Arizona's Constitutional carry law leads you to believe there will be a drop in CCW classes anywhere if this law is passed? Last I heard, it didn't in AZ.

For one thing, UT's CFP is as popular outside Utah as it is in. Second, you still can't carry in schools in UT unless you get a Utah CFP. And I know for a fact it's hard not to be within 1000 ft of a school along the Wasatch Front.

The idea that Constitutional carry is mutually exclusive with CFP is mistaken. Common, but mistaken.
 
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Second, you still can't carry in schools in UT unless you get a Utah CFP. And I know for a fact it's hard not to be within 1000 ft of a school along the Wasatch Front.

The idea that Constitutional carry is mutually exclusive with CFP is mistaken. Common, but mistaken.
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As mentioned earlier, in Utah we can store a loaded handgun in our vehicles (if we are 18). How does that law work with schools? Can I put a loaded gun in my glovebox, drive it onto school property, park, go in, then come back later - all the while there is a loaded gun in my car?

Is the idea that I drove a part of my "home" onto the parking lot, so this is OK?

In any case, it does sound like procrastination may only partially pay off if I want to carry in more places. Of course no matter what there will be some places that will always be off limits.
 
I'm internally divided on this.
I believe Constitutional Carry should be upheld in all states.
And yet I also believe that people SHOULD take training before they carry in any capacity.

If by some impressive magic trick NJ became CC tomorrow, before I'd strap on my holster I'd be signing up for classes. But them I'm supposedly above the average of intelligence and it just makes SENSE to get training before doing something like CC/CCW. So how do we... encourage... people to seek training, without some form of penalty system? (permitting, fines, etc.) Do we give positive incentives (free range days? box of ammo? discount on price or sales tax on next firearms purchase? a fancy pin??) to entice people to seek training? Honestly, I don't know. I want to believe everyone who CCW's wants to be trained on the laws surrounding their exercise of rights, but the simple fact is way too many people walking around today are too flipping dumb to look up from their phones while crossing the street.

I will say this though... I'd rather have CC and deal with the steaming masses problem then NOT have CC.
 
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As mentioned earlier, in Utah we can store a loaded handgun in our vehicles (if we are 18). How does that law work with schools? Can I put a loaded gun in my glovebox, drive it onto school property, park, go in, then come back later - all the while there is a loaded gun in my car?
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The federal Gun Free School Zone Act says you may ONLY possess a firearm within a school zone (that is, within 1,000 feet of a school) if "if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990

So, if that parking lot is more than 1,000 feet away from the school, you're fine. Otherwise, no.
 
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