should we rush about "building nations" or should we straighten ourselves out first?

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GOP ¢¾ Nation-Building
by Justin Logan and Christopher Preble

Justin Logan is a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute. Christopher Preble is director of foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute and a founding member of the Coalition for a Realistic Foreign Policy. They are the authors of the Policy Analysis, "Failed States and Flawed Logic: The Case against a Standing Nation-Building Office."

Throughout the 1990s, Republicans castigated the Clinton administration for conducting foreign policy like social work: vague, ill-defined missions in remote locales from Haiti to Bosnia to Kosovo. Republicans asked forceful questions about how these missions served the U.S. national interest. In November 1995 a clear majority of Republicans in Congress voted to stop Clinton from sending American forces to Bosnia as part of the Dayton Peace Agreement (a prohibition that Clinton flatly ignored). When a second Balkan crisis erupted in Kosovo, John Bolton had to point out to Bill O'Reilly that the United States had become "involved in a conflict where it has no tangible national interest, where it has no clear objectives in mind, and where the ultimate outcome could be very risky for what our real interests are¡¦"

Bolton was right, and he was joined by many other conservatives who saw nation-building as a dangerous and dubious misuse of American power. Although the Weekly Standard promoted the candidacy of John McCain--in part because he was one of the few Republicans who thought that Kosovo was a good idea--most on the right were encouraged when George W. Bush and his senior foreign policy advisor Condoleezza Rice came out strongly against such missions. Rice famously declared in 2000 that "we don't need to have the 82nd Airborne escorting kids to kindergarten." Bush was equally blunt: during one of the presidential debates with Al Gore, Bush said "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building. ¡¦ I mean, we¡¯re going to have some kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."

We agree. That's why it is so alarming that the Bush administration has created a nation-building corps from America: the State Department¡¯s new Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization (S/CRS). President Bush and Secretary Rice¡¯s change of heart is most often attributed to 9/11. To be sure, 9/11 proved that untraditional threats can be serious, but it did nothing to make a strategic non-entity such as Haiti into a national security concern. Further, 9/11 did not change the extremely poor track record of nation-building efforts.

The leading advocates of S/CRS claim that the office will be able to build institutional knowledge about nation building, allowing them to reverse the abysmal history of past nation-building failures. But the very rationale for the office¡¯s creation -- the notion that failed states are automatically threatening to the United States -- is deeply flawed.

Stephen Krasner, the director of policy planning at State, and the Coordinator himself, Carlos Pascual, explained the rationale behind the office by asserting that the United States needs to learn to ¡°help stabilize and reconstruct societies in transition from conflict or civil strife, so they can reach a sustainable path toward peace, democracy, and a market economy.¡± The authors went on to argue that America needs to "establish democracies that improve the lives of ordinary individuals." Sounds more like Madeleine Albright than Ronald Reagan.

And, mind you, they weren't talking about Iraq. The office has given no indication that it has answers to the problems in Iraq. Rather, S/CRS is currently planning for nation-building operations in strategic backwaters like Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Haiti. Are those really the places where we ought to be focusing our energies while bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Zarqawi are on the loose? True, we aren¡¯t sure where any of these people are, but we¡¯d bet the next month¡¯s rent that they¡¯re not in Port au Prince.

For conservatives who are willing to trust the judgment of the Bush administration on foreign policy, they might want to imagine how the office could be used by a future, say, Hillary Clinton administration. If President Clinton decides in 2010 that we really need to send U.S. personnel into the Democratic Republic of the Congo, she'll be able to do it under the auspices of S/CRS. And a standing office devoted to nation building will be a full-time advocate for the very types of missions that the GOP rightfully used to scorn.

This brings us to the next problem, which rarely gets discussed: the need for U.S. military personnel to go along on these missions. In any stabilization and reconstruction effort, there would have to be a military component. By definition, the target state will be emerging from conflict or collapse, and the American administrators will need to operate within a relatively secure environment as they initiate and implement stabilization and reconstruction programs. But based on the historical record, an absolute minimum of five foreign troops per 1,000 indigenous population would be needed to be successful. In Haiti, for example, that would mean 17,000 foreign troops. Sierra Leone? 30,000 troops. Zimbabwe? More than 60,000 troops. Nobody argues openly that we should send these kinds of numbers of troops into failed states, but if we wanted to have a serious chance of success, the above figures suggest what would be required. Sending in a few bureaucrats and soldiers was the strategy in the 1990s. We know what kind of results that strategy yielded in Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia.

At a time when our men and women in uniform are struggling with third and potentially fourth tours in the war on terrorism, these types of social engineering missions are even more reckless than they were under the Clinton administration. Until the Bush administration can explain why it is necessary to poke through the affairs of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Haiti, the office should be shuttered and the State Department should go back to grown-up policy issues.
 
Standing Wolf said:
Land wars in Asia have a nasty habit of turning ugly and staying ugly.

Rebuilding Germany and Japan after World War II didn't seem to provoke quite so many hard feelings.

Rebuilding Germany was easy b/c we had close to 2 million US, British, and Russian soldiers to gaurd every rail station and crossroad. Even so there was still resistence fighting for several years after (minor compaired to Iraq, but still there).

Japan was easy because of our large troop presense, and the fact that our treaty completely disarmed and prostrated the Japanese people. They were a defeated culture, not a 'liberated' culture like in Iraq.
 
Unfortunately, we Americans operate at the "graduate level", which means that we have to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

This is another way of saying, can't daren't NOT clean up our own house, AND we daren't take a hands off approach to the rest of the world.
 
Bad Idea

The U.S.A. is the greatest country on the planet, but we got problems. A leaky southern border, an economy which is beholden to a dictatorial fascist regime parading as communist(China), and a war on drugs which destroys a little more freedom of everyone year after year.

At the same time, why are we building up Iraq? Because they weren't in our economic sphere of influence. Saudi Arabia's gov is o.k. even though it is a monarchy b/c they give us oil. What's the diff? Saddam is worse b/c he killed more people?

I'm sorry, that is inconsistent w/ our gov's values of truth freedom, and justice. We are there for oil. We are in the Middle East for oil. Why? Because American oil companies which are there for consumer's SUV's.

I'm not a flamin' lib. Oil companies have a right to pursue their business, and consumers have a right to SUVs. But neither has a right to force their fellow citizens to acquire that fuel by killing and dying in foreign lands.

This isn't the Cold War. We are not fighting a mortal enemy. We are trying to hold together a massive worldwide empire at the behest of corporations who cannot compete in a free market, and wish to pay off politicians to use force to acquire new capital.

In the meantime, look at Africa. We send food to Africa instead of promoting African farming? Why? Because of American farming corps using subsidies to stay in business.

Look, I'm not saying the US should stay in a hole forever, but I am saying we will destroy ourselves if we run after the dream of Empire. Look at history and tell me I'm wrong.
 
To cut through all the husk and get to the corn, we were right to go to Iraq, and it has saved us more major terrorist attacks.
Rebuilding the nation is necessary to prevent a vacuum that would result in other nations getting involved and a civil war in Iraq.

Jerry
 
I hate to break it to ya, JerryM, but there is a civil war going on in Iraq right now.

Wilsonian nation-building has invariably led this country into disaster after catastrophe after crisis. 'Commerce with all, entangling alliances with none,' should be the sum total of US foreign policy.

- Chris
 
Chris Rhines said:
I hate to break it to ya, JerryM, but there is a civil war going on in Iraq right now.

Wilsonian nation-building has invariably led this country into disaster after catastrophe after crisis. 'Commerce with all, entangling alliances with none,' should be the sum total of US foreign policy.

- Chris


yeah the last three "conflicts" solved nothing. We do make enemies. Just look at how Bush's war on terror has sucked the life out of any real domestic policies......well besides growing the Govt at twice the rate of Govt revenues......(nice new word the gop now uses for taxes)

I'm tired of supporting other countries economies via Federal Govt handouts. Free trade....real free trade. sink or swim.
 
Three truths as I see it:
Nation-building is dangerous and difficult.
We'll never be done improving our own nation.
One is not a rationale for ignoring the other.
 
mordechaianiliewicz said:
The U.S.A. is the greatest country on the planet, but we got problems. A leaky southern border, an economy which is beholden to a dictatorial fascist regime parading as communist(China), and a war on drugs which destroys a little more freedom of everyone year after year.

At the same time, why are we building up Iraq? Because they weren't in our economic sphere of influence. Saudi Arabia's gov is o.k. even though it is a monarchy b/c they give us oil. What's the diff? Saddam is worse b/c he killed more people?

I'm sorry, that is inconsistent w/ our gov's values of truth freedom, and justice. We are there for oil. We are in the Middle East for oil. Why? Because American oil companies which are there for consumer's SUV's.

I'm not a flamin' lib. Oil companies have a right to pursue their business, and consumers have a right to SUVs. But neither has a right to force their fellow citizens to acquire that fuel by killing and dying in foreign lands.

This isn't the Cold War. We are not fighting a mortal enemy. We are trying to hold together a massive worldwide empire at the behest of corporations who cannot compete in a free market, and wish to pay off politicians to use force to acquire new capital.

In the meantime, look at Africa. We send food to Africa instead of promoting African farming? Why? Because of American farming corps using subsidies to stay in business.

Look, I'm not saying the US should stay in a hole forever, but I am saying we will destroy ourselves if we run after the dream of Empire. Look at history and tell me I'm wrong.

+1.

Foreign entanglements and adventures are going to be our downfall.
 
rwc said:
Three truths as I see it:
Nation-building is dangerous and difficult.
We'll never be done improving our own nation.
One is not a rationale for ignoring the other.

One is a rationale for the other.
 
rwc said:

We participate in matters around the world because it is in our national interest. It was not my intention to disagree. If you remove a sort of double negative from your last sentence, one could say "one is a rationale for tending to the other". Sorry if that didn't really contribute anything.
 
Guys, Iraq was an example.

Plain and simple.

Doesn't really matter that the government had been killing its own people wholesale using chemical weapons. Doesn't really matter that they were making the surrounding nations more than nervous. It doesn't even really matter that the country served as a staging area for people who want to spread their beliefs around the world with the barrel of a gun.

Of course, there's a lot of folks, most of them strangely "liberal," who seem to think that the status quo should have remained, because, hey, it was just a buncha little brown people who were getting gassed. And it's just little brown people who live in that region. And hey, most of the people they'd attack would be other little brown people.

Instead, we rolled through Iraq faster than Patton went through France... Heck, faster than HITLER went through France. These cats had the fourth largest military force in the world, and they were nothing. Qadaffi (spell it however...) has suddenly decided to play nice. Iran is seeing our media, and thinking that it can rattle a sabre - and our media is probably going to get more folks killed - because these groups are going to feel obliged to pop something big in a large American city. But they'd be doing that whether we'd gone into Iraq or not. We _have_ managed to confine the batlefield to another country so far - would you rather that the fight was here? First, middle eastern immigrants, probably 99.9% peaceful, would be seriously oppressed. We'd lose civil liberties like you wouldn't believe. Think about the consequences, folks.

Bottom line: These religious fanatics wanna kill us or convert us. We ain't gonna convert, so they're gonna kill us. Don't mean we have to let 'em.
 
stevelyn said:
+1.

Foreign entanglements and adventures are going to be our downfall.
That's what many people said about WWI & WWII.

Maybe they were right. Then again, maybe nukes in the hands of fascists isn't such a good idea, no matter how "isolated" you think you are.
 
We _have_ managed to confine the batlefield to another country so far - would you rather that the fight was here? First, middle eastern immigrants, probably 99.9% peaceful, would be seriously oppressed. We'd lose civil liberties like you wouldn't believe. Think about the consequences, folks.

The issue isn't containing or neutralizing, by whatever means appropriate, serious foreign threats, it's whether it is our job to "adopt" other societies for economic and political development. In fact, the war IS already here in so many ways, and we'd better sharpen our vision aboutr what's going on stateside. "History" didn't end when The Wall came down, and we didn't really win the Cold War, socialism just became subtler, insinuating itself culturally deep inside the fabric of our culture. Since '89 we've done a lot to multiculturalize America, both overtly and covertly, in ways a lot of us might consider dubious, and, again, this is the product of the socialistic thinking we are patting ourselves on the back for vanquishing. While our own major companies flounder, raising the question of who will build our warstuff when and if we need it in the future, we are aglow with humanitarian satisfaction for raising up Iraq--at the cost of, eventually, maybe a trillion dollars. We have gone way, way beyond "foreign entanglements," but there's no doubt we are caught in a global web.
 
Bottom line: These religious fanatics wanna kill us or convert us. We ain't gonna convert, so they're gonna kill us. Don't mean we have to let 'em

Please explain to me how #1 Iraq was a jihadist country before we invaded, and how 2# we are not weaker for all our expenses with the Iraq debacle. Iraq was a secular country until we invaded then we set them up and they start voting for Islamic theocracy.

I dont think it makes much sense to injure yourself on an example so that when you actually have to fight the guy you're really worried about you're too messed up to do it properly.
 
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