SHTF rifle for $1,000.00

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Having a commonly available round only really works before a crisis appears since when civil order does break down in these siturations stores tend to get robbed of ammunation.

An Ar15 is nice but in this area there are better choices. It makes a great military rifle, though I like something with more stopping power, especially when you are seeing no food coming into the stores. I am far enough out that you see a number of larger animals (I have at least a dozen deer that regularly on my property) that could be culled. So I would go with something bigger. Infact I probrobly arm with an SKS as others have said due to their unbreakingness, lack of maintaince and then throw in a bolt action like the Lee Enfield for more power, hunting and so on. Then there is a couple of .357 magnum revolvers around.

More importantly would be a water filter if anything. We have a spring on the property, though its still handy to have something to clean the water. You going to run out of that long before ammo for most people. Make sure you have the clothes for the seasons too. Especially if you are out of power for weeks. I quickly learned here that every couple of years an icestorm will knock out the power and after two weeks without electricity in temperatures well below freezing I was ready for some warmth. I also found growing my own vegetables and storing them in jars and similar stuff also is a good thing to do if you have space for a garden on your property. A year's growing gives me and my family enough vegetables to last over two years from the garden so we sell quite a bit of fresh veg and give others to friends and family, but its easy enough to store it. Then don't forget useful equipment.

I find people concentrate too much on the firearms when their choice isn't by far the most important one. Most people could cope with a .22lr rifle and be amply protected as much as any other rifle to scare people off. Your best advantage would probrobly be number of people, so knowing your neighbours helps as much as anything.
 
I think you make a good point. Some people seem to have this vision that when the SHTF Slayer's "South of Heaven" kicks on, the sky turns black, and people throw on torn leather jackets, tight pants and jackboots to start executing human wave attacks against the few pure of heart.

I think the guy in the article I linked to makes a good point. Somebody (sane) isn't going to be sitting on the roof of their house with a high powered rifle repelling invaders. There are so many other things to do, like secure water supplies and repair any damage to your residence. You still need to eat, sleep, and use the toilet.

Water is something I almost never see discussed. What happens if a water main breaks? For those on wells, what about when the power is out for an extended time? Where will they get drinking water, do they have any purification gear?

Of course I cannot really blame the focus on firearms, after all this is a firearms forum. But all too often I see or read about someone's preparations and I just shake my head, as at best they will find themselves struggling, over burdened yet poorly equipped; there is the distinct possibility they are going to end up on the wrong side of the grass due to their choices.
 
"Defecation hitting the rotary oscillator" comes in many different shapes and forms.
Anything from 'post Katrina' to outright invasion.
Power outtages. Pandemic. Several different types of the SHTF.

So, with that said, I have to disagree that "SHTF business" is foolish.

Oh, and I don't wear a tin-foil hat, but, I have seen the black helicopter. (A guy at a local municipal airport has one.)

Call me a Boy Scout. "Be Prepared."
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying bad things can't happen. What I am saying is that a 1911 and 15 magazines would do the job nicely for post Katrina or riots, and I am also saying that the US isn't about to be invaded by foreign troops, it just ain't gonna happen. 70 million gun owners is nothing that any military force on the planet can overcome. Gas attacks or bombings, there is a fairly good chance, especially terrorist attacks from Al Quaida, but "outright invasion"? Give me a break.

When I speak out against SHTFr's, I am referring to tacticool 24 watching geeks who think they need to have a ton of worthless crap ready to go so they can emulate their hero's from TV in a fictional fantasy world that exists soley in their head.
 
2 Remington 870 12 ga's=$500.00
Differing loads of buckshot, slugs, small game etc.
Use the remaining $350.00 to stock up on MRE's and water containers. 100 gallons of fuel for the auto's might not be a bad idea either.
 
100 gallons of fuel for the auto's might not be a bad idea either.

If you put BHT in it (it's available in auto shops as "fuel stabilizer" for you weirdos who don't keep BHT around your workbench). Otherwise modern gasoline turns into varnish or something pretty fast.

That's actually a pretty good idea. The US government hasn't approved a new refinery for 40 years, so we're always pretty close to the edge. There aren't very many pipelines. A couple of sabotage bombs (or price controls, which have happened before in the US, and are always popular with politicians... that's how we're wrecking the Iraqi economy right now) and gas could be scarce.
 
Well I would get a m-4 type rifle with dozens of spare mags and nightvision.:evil:
 
Can anyone point out a situation in American history where civilians needed and/or used semi-automatic rifles and large amounts of ammunition to protect themselves, their families, their neighbors, and/or their property?

I was around for the L.A. riots and was pretty happy to have guns. I also watched the store owners patrolling their rooftops with rifles, which I am/was all for. I am, however, unaware of any of those folks needing to fire large numbers of shots. Grandad's old thutty-thutty would have served just fine for the application.

Now, I don't have anything against folks who want to own "assault rifles" and lots of ammo, but come on, this obsession with "SHTF" probably looks pretty silly -- if not outright frightening -- to the average Joe on the street. Or 'net, as the case may be.
 
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"Defecation hitting the rotary oscillator" comes in many different shapes and forms.
Anything from 'post Katrina' to outright invasion.
Power outtages. Pandemic. Several different types of the SHTF.

So, with that said, I have to disagree that "SHTF business" is foolish.

Oh, and I don't wear a tin-foil hat, but, I have seen the black helicopter. (A guy at a local municipal airport has one.)

Call me a Boy Scout. "Be Prepared."

1911JMB replied: (Bold italics added for emphasis)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying bad things can't happen. What I am saying is that a 1911 and 15 magazines would do the job nicely for post Katrina or riots, and I am also saying that the US isn't about to be invaded by foreign troops, it just ain't gonna happen. 70 million gun owners is nothing that any military force on the planet can overcome. Gas attacks or bombings, there is a fairly good chance, especially terrorist attacks from Al Quaida, but "outright invasion"? Give me a break.

When I speak out against SHTFr's, I am referring to tacticool 24 watching geeks who think they need to have a ton of worthless crap ready to go so they can emulate their hero's from TV in a fictional fantasy world that exists soley in their head.


Outright invasion (In My Not So Humble Opinion) can take many different forms.
We are (again, IMNSHO) experiencing an invasion, as I write this. Just look to our border, to the south. That is only one way that our way of life IS changing.
It is not my intent or wish to get this thread locked, so suffice it to say, the term 'invasion' can be taken to mean any number of ways.
And yes, we can be invaded, quite easily.

Again, call me a Boy Scout. "Be Prepared." And that means not only with firearms, but, mentally and physically. Water, shelter, food and finacially.

Thanks for reading.
 
Eight years

Has taken me about eight years to figure out that my Model 99 Savage in 300 Savage is a better urban rifle in SHTF (for me) then my custom built AR15.
Lighter, more power, easier to get real low in prone, better to shoot though stuff. I have a 147 FMJ hand load.
After the first 50 rounds fired, (aimed) its a crap shoot.
 
Well, my TSHTF is a M1A Scout... but that's over budget (Still I'd save up for it)

I finished putting together my car gun the other day...
AK with Romanian sidefolder, single point sling, Ultimak scout rail, and EoTech with the GG&G throw lever.

AK $350
Stock $33
Sling $22
Ultimak $92
EoTech just over $400
GG&G ~$80


-It just occured to me when I had it all together I had an ~$1,000 Ak in my hands:scrutiny:


I'd go M1A, FAL, or AK.
 
Can anyone point out a situation in American history where civilians needed and/or used semi-automatic rifles and large amounts of ammunition to protect themselves, their families, their neighbors, and/or their property?

1. American Revolution
2. Shay's Rebellion
3. War of 1812
4. Tejas revolucion
5. War of Tariff Enforcement, 1860-1865
6. Senator Aldrich's War, 1913-2006
7. Pancho Villa's attack
8. Every inner-city riot in the 1960s, 70s, 90s

Now admittedly the semiautomatic rifle wasn't available in 1775, but they sure needed it. I might concede that it's getting a wee bit obsolescent in 2006... but that means you need to be thinking of the next step in weaponry, not resigning yourself to returning to medieval serfdom.
 
Can anyone point out a situation in American history where civilians needed and/or used semi-automatic rifles and large amounts of ammunition to protect themselves, their families, their neighbors, and/or their property?


Post Andrew.
Post Katrina.
Post Rita.
During and post L.A. Riots. It is also my recollection that several law-abiding citizens were armed with everything from .38 caliber revolvers, to semi-auto pistols, to pump shotguns, to (yes, semi-auto) Mini-14s.
I'm not saying that they FIRED these weapons, but, these citizens all thought that their freedoms and way of life were under attack. So, they needed these firearms.



That's my 'take' on it.

Thanks for reading.
 
1. American Revolution
2. Shay's Rebellion
3. War of 1812
4. Tejas revolucion
5. War of Tariff Enforcement, 1860-1865
6. Senator Aldrich's War, 1913-2006
7. Pancho Villa's attack
8. Every inner-city riot in the 1960s, 70s, 90s
I had a feeling someone would bring up the American Revolution. :neener:

But obviously no semi-automatic rifles were used in 1-7. As for #8, I'm unaware of any incidents where high volume fire at distance occured. Linky?
 
Post Andrew.
Post Katrina.
Post Rita.
During and post L.A. Riots. It is also my recollection that several law-abiding citizens were armed with everything from .38 caliber revolvers, to semi-auto pistols, to pump shotguns, to (yes, semi-auto) Mini-14s.
I'm not saying that they FIRED these weapons, but, these citizens all thought that their freedoms and way of life were under attack. So, they needed these firearms.
Again, I have no argument with someone who wants a semi-auto for any reason. I'm just A) poking a bit of mild fun at the idea that the S is definitely going to HTF and if you don't own a whole lot of guns you're just a bleating, dimwitted sheeple, and B) arguing against the idea that the ideal SHTF gun is a semi-automatic rifle with several cases of ammunition.

In short, I'm saying that the perfect SHTF gun is pretty much whatever you've got laying about, and the evidence for this is pretty much every SHTF incident that has occurred in the last hundred years. Including, of course, Andrew, Katrina, Rita, both L.A. riots, etc, etc.
 
Its just the feeling of having a weapon for dire cituations, you may not ever need it but if you do its waiting for you along with extra ammo. Also a 30/30 would work well but a m-4 type carbine will work alot better for what your using it for.
 
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