Side charging AR build

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Take the cash that you would have spent on a side charge and get a bunch of ammo or a weekend of formal training or a down payment on a cruise.
 
Tirod said:
Dirt ingress doesn't seem to bother FN, Berreta, Remington, or Robinson. Slots galore.
By Remington I assume you mean the Shrubmaster?

The reason why dirt ingress isn't as much of an issue is because of the way the weapon systems are designed. Those are proprietary designs with looser tolerances inside the receiver and with different operating systems. Those rifles have more in common with an AK than they do with an AR due to the spring, track and bolt housing. That is why it's not as big of an issue. An AR has tighter receiver tolerances between the receiver and bolt carrier group, and much more to get in the way and affected by dirt, hence why the AR has a dust cover.
 
"Looser tolerances" is an internet myth. As defined in blueprints and engineering specs, a tolerance is the allowable variation from the specific dimension, for ex. +/- .030. That means the part can vary from .970 to 1.030 from the specified 1.000" dimension.

What the AR industry enjoys is getting that dimension within .003" and doing it across the board with any of four dozen makers. CNC metalworking is that good now.

CLEARANCES are designed spaces between parts to allow movement and accept some of the variation in production tolerances, expansion from heat, contraction from cold, and buildup of detritus in a working mechanism. The AR does not have specifically tighter clearances for it's design. That misconception goes back to the false assumption it jams when exposed to excessive gas residue. That doesn't happen.

What does happen is a casual shooter noticing the piston bolts all rattle around on rails to guide them - the AR carrier is contained in a tube, almost completely enclosed. The BCG rattles around plenty on it's own, it's just quieted down by the constant spring load against it. A piston bolt doesn't always have that loading on it's carrier.

The untrained anecdotal perspective is that the AR bolt carrier must be a tighter fit, and proven to be so by the myth of jamming up from gas residue - which isn't a problem, either. It's been demonstrated by Mike Panone an AR will go 2,400 rounds fired completely dry, about ten basic loads of ammo. No soldier goes a week of combat without maintaining his weapon daily. Another carbine, Filthy 14, has gone 50,000 rounds + with nothing more than a wipedown and more lube. It doesn't stop up and jam from tight tolerances or gas residue.

"Loose tolerances" isn't happening - that would be a .998" bolt carrier trying to fit a .997" AR upper. That doesn't happen, and the clearances are plenty big enough. Most stoppages are bad magazines/ammo, or a lack of preventative maintenance in replacing worn out parts.
 
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Take the cash that you would have spent on a side charge and get a bunch of ammo or a weekend of formal training or a down payment on a cruise.

I agree. Sidecharger is a waste of money.

Just get a BCM large latch charging handle. Or maybe the Troy ambi handle. I use BCM, and I'm a lefty.

The movement of my charging handle is allmost exactly the same as the over hand rack of my pistols.

Bringing the gun off of my shoulder is no big deal. My AR's don't malfunction unless I use a dummy round, or a piece of brass bounces off the ground back into my port (urban prone to the right, right handed). Can't say I've ever charged the weapon in action other than a malf clearance drill.
 
By the way OP. You have people who normally disagree strongly with each other and argue different sides of the AR discussions all agreeing that this is a bad idea. Maybe you really need to reconsider. :)
 
I always knew there was something a little off about you. ;)

Er....left handed.:eek:

This is the one I use:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-3-p/bcm gfh mod 3 556.htm

It's kinda sharp, you won't slip on it that's for sure. But it deos hurt a little if you get really aggressive. And you can still reach it with your palm even if your running a huge SPRish scope that usually blocks the milspec handle.

For left handed op I index the rifle down off my shoulder and reach over the top just like a pistol. I'll roll the rifle right a bit.

For right handed operation I leave the rifle on my shoulder and just pull it back with my left hand. Assuming a simple tack rack bang. For a double feed malf I still lower the rifle to my Index position. Just lean your head over so you don't punch yourself in the face. I had to finish a round with both my eyes watering because I punched my self in the nose perfectly when charging right handed.

I use a Magpul BAD lever to lock the bolt back incase your wondering how I lock back right handed from my reloading index instead of dropping and laying the rifle flat.
 
The TX state multi gun was the same way this year

Ugh. The sand and wind were unbelievable. I feel sorry for anyone who had to shoot the long range stage on day 1.

side charging handles are useful in two circumstances:

1. 3gun

Are there a significant number of shooters adopting the side charging handle where you're at? Out here, about the only thing I've seen are people who use the standard charging handles with the bigger latch, like the BCM Gunfighter.

I expect that will change, though, as the new JP system gets more widespread acceptance.
 
only on race guns/open. but i wouldn't say how significant that is given that 90+ % of people around here shoot in a tactical type class
 
The Ar-15's charging handle also requires some dexterity to use, since you have to hook your two fingers around to pull it, where as a side handle only needs to grip a rod. I can personally see the AR handle design as difficult to use with short stocks, or in the prone, since the operator has to reach over the stock, but on your back I can see it being not as bad.

And as for the dirt opening, sure it will, but by now engineers should have worked out the kinks having nearly fifty years to do so? They've done so on other designs, just look at the FAL,G3,G36 and AUG, all have little issue even if dirt gets inside, the AR never has seemed as robust. But whatever, its your money.
 
I never use 2 fingers to work the CH. In fact that is not the proper way to use it at all.

You only need to use either the index finger or your pinky finger to work the CH. I am unaware of any other method taught by any reputable instructor now adays.
 
Another technique is to use your palm. Your fingers can slip off, the meaty bottom of your palm cannot.

Especially important when your shooting lefty, not so much righty.

But you need a BCM large latch style to pull it off. Not the tiny milspec handle.
 
I own a reciprocating right-side charger, and its definately an aid for highpower competition when slung up and in position. I do find it practical enough for 3-gun, and possibly more natural when identifying and clearing malfunctions, but not a fast as a left-side charger carbine would be for 3-gun/idpa type competitions..

Frankly, for a 20", heavy barrel AR15, I find that right-side charging is more ergonomic, simply because I can keep my left hand on the stock supporting the gun. However for a lighter 16" build, I'd just stick with a BCM version of the standard charge handle.

Going with a right-side charger means foregoing the shell deflector, which means brass will go close over your right shoulder, and makes left handed shooting 'an experience'. This can be good or bad, depending on where you like to hunt for your brass.

The reciprocating handle has never been an issue for me, and since I'm not in a dusty war-zone, I could spare the dust covers.
 
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