Yup, I see a total of "1" person having an issue, and a few replies stating that its a known issue, but it doesnt appear to be from them personally. As I said earlier, it isnt the MAJORITY of people having the problem(although this sort of thing is the majority of the problem with the internet), just a few. You were making it sound like all of the P6''s were having an issue.
Maybe, maybe not. I've actually got a couple of really good deals there. It is one that just about anyone can walk into an see exactly what I stated.
What I was calling "snobbery", was the comparison between two grades of the SAME model. My lowly, ugly, painted "Sportsman" has killed a hell of a lot more critters than my buddies fancy grade 1100 and breaks more birds at the clays range than his when we shoot them together, but his is "better" because its got better wood and finish, and of course, he paid a LOT more for it.
Would you debate there is a difference between the different (grade) models of any other gun, other than maybe "collecting" specific models, in their actual use?
Opinions are rarely humble, and everyone has one. I guess some of us can deal with the humble models of certain guns better than others can.
Bullzaye said:
Rellascout:
As general rule I love W. German made Sigs more than anything currently in production. Sig has lost its touch since moving its production to Exeter IHMO. The new P220 external extractor even has issues so the fit to their most recent known issue is not even a real fix but that is for another thread. The W. German origin and its rock bottom price are the biggest pluses to the P6 IMHO.
Totally agree with you. The internal extractor bent-slide Sigs are the way to go. Don't get me started about rails...
Well for starters the P6 was made in W. German to fire 115Gr ball ammo. It was not made to reliability feed US hollow points. Earlier models will not feed reliably and since these are trade ins the chance of getting a parts gun is much higher so date codes do not tell the whole story.
Wrong. 100% wrong. Absolutely wrong...
And I notice that someone else already corrected you.
Now I know there will be thousands of new P6 owners saying they feed just fine but why use something for a defense gun that was not designed for that purpose.
Second the fit and finish of these guns are not a shining example of what Sig can do. They are not up to the level of the Commercial P225.
Wow, the excellent ones I've seen were every bit as nice as my W German P220 and US P239. The grips are kind of not nice, but neither were the ones on my 220. Maybe the ones you handled were older, more worn, or abused?
Third the trigger spring is 3-4 pounds heavier in both DA/SA modes Yes people replace the recoil springs and other springs and that helps. The problem I see is that you end up with lighter but certainly not smoother trigger, see point #2. Most P6s I have held and shot needed a trigger job to get to real Sig standards.
Granted, this is a pistol made for police daily duty carry, and not a nice civilian pistol. Like NYC and Glocks, they wanted a stronger trigger.
Fourth the Hammer is useless with its notch design. This was requested so the German police armorer would know if someone dropped their gun.
Useless? As a hammer? As a cup holder? Please explain how it is useless. Perhaps not as pretty as other Sig hammers, but USELESS? Please...
To me they are like a BMW with cloth seats.
Personally, I prefer cloth seats, they don't get as hot in summer, and my butt doesn't slip, and you don't have to scrub and oil them either. Shall we just say we disagree?
I hear what you are saying. I don't think I ever stated that the P6 was not a good gun.
Yes, you did, I counted multiple uses of "Inferior" in your many posts on the subject.
I think you read it that way. I simply stated it was not a P225 and then was asked for clarification which I provided it.
This is about the same as calling a Ford P71 Police Interceptor and a Ford Crown Victoria different cars- both are the same car, both are the Ford Panther chassis used in Lincoln, Mercury and Ford RWD cars, with one having specific improvements to endear it to the civilian market, versus the other equipped specifically for police duty. In the real world, both are still Panthers and most parts are interchangeable. In fact, if dressed in similar paint schemes, most folks would not be able to tell them apart.
In fact, this is amazingly similar. The departments rotate the P71's out as they age, and get used hard. They sell at a discount at auctions, and usually taxi companies gobble them up. The qualities that make them good police cruisers work well as taxis.
From the couple of people I've run into on the internet talking about the "inferior" Sig P6 versus a P225, most of them seem almost jealous that a P6 costs half as much as a P225.
The P225 is not a bad gun, but when compared to the P239, and the P228, which of the three sold more units? The P228 gave you double stack in the same size package. The P239 gave you more concealability in a similar size package. The P225 was a single stack 9mm in a world of Wondernines. Were it not for the recent P6 imports, would anyone have heard of the P225 except for Sig collectors?
When the first wave of P6's hit the US, they were marketed for $450-$500, up there in Sig price range. Gander Mountain bought the majority of the first guns and marketed them as used. Prices gradually fell as people turned away from these banged up old Sigs.
These were the first guns rotated out of service, and were the oldest, beat-up-est, tiredest guns the armorers had to dispose of. As the contract is fulfilled, better and better guns are coming in, and the price has dropped to $350, $300, and now $259. I seriously doubt we'll be seing any sort of deal like this again, and P225 owner's snobbery not withstanding, I urge anyone who is thinking about one to strongly consider acting before a presidential executive order stops importation.
Somehow, the idea of a Sig designed for police service does not sound like a bad idea.
But then, I always liked buying old police cruisers at auction and bombing around in them.
If some German police officer could carry their gun safely and defend themselves, somehow I think we US citizens will have no problems with P6s, either.
So the P6 is better, then?rellascout said:
OK, keeping it in the same vein...Is the M11 a P228, or not? How about the M9, Beretta 92, or not?
Me too.
The only way you know your getting ANY gun that is a 100%, is to shoot it with what you intend to carry in it, before you carry it.
