Sig Brace debocle and what I AM GOING TO DO.

[ol' scratch]

This issue has been consuming some time on various forums recently and I have given it some thought. I have found that they make a 5.5 inch flash suppressor. I am going to put said flash suppressor on my AR pistol with the SIG brace and weld it in place. I will keep the SIG brace and KAK buffer tube in place. Silly? Maybe, but it is my form of protest. I have a family to worry about and can't spend time towing the line regarding this issue. If they change their minds in the future, I can swap out the barrel if I see fit. I will continue to shoulder my pistol while remaining compliant with the law. I hate these people. (NOT HIGH ROAD MATERIAL) the BATF. This is a burecratic law that hurts law abiding citizens. The devil is in the details.

 

[Willie Sutton]

Reminds me of my old 1967 MGB: The thing about that car was that I could drive it as fast as I wanted, not paying attention to any speed limits, careening as fast as I could thru the esses... flooring it from red lights... being a real rebel.

The thing was... <sigh>.. the car performed and cornered so poorly that I was the only one who noticed...


Enjoy your "protest".




Willie

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[ol' scratch]

Actually Willy, the pistol and soon to be rifle handles very well. With the KAK buffer tube, you can put spacers in to adjust the length of pull. It handles as well as a registered SBR. I should have also mentioned that this has become a local issue too. Every time I shot my pistol at the range where I am a member, I had people confronting me about it all the time before this latest ruling.

Sometimes protests of only personal nature are necessary if for only a sense of justice and fair play in the world. Seriously, simply putting it to your shoulder constitutes a felony punishable by possibly 10 years in prison? A 5.5 inch flash hider is fine and doesn't change the function of the firearm but some how has some bureaucrats approval?

 

[tarosean]

Sometimes protests of only personal nature are necessary if for only a sense of justice and fair play in the world. Seriously, simply putting it to your shoulder constitutes a felony punishable by possibly 10 years in prison? A 5.5 inch flash hider is fine and doesn't change the function of the firearm but some how has some bureaucrats approval?

Then you may want to tread lightly as BATF has classified some of these long flash hiders, comps as Silencers.

 

[Tirod]

Actually, the best protest would be to do nothing - as nothing has yet changed other than another contradictory letter came out.

There is no mechanism for enforcement. Nobody is going to tail you to the range and arrest you. The ATF simply doesn't have the resources. They are pursuing bigger fish and the average brace owner isn't worth their time of day.

In further news, one company who sells braces is investigating what legal recourse they have in the courts. There IS legal remedy to curtail a regulatory agency when it puts out arbitrary and capricious decisions.

Frankly, if the brace issue is that bothersome, then take it off and store it. Ruining a good pistol that is NFA legal seems to be counterproductive when you change it to a rifle - it no longer enjoys all the advantages of a pistol under CCW laws, it's a rifle and falls under the more restrictive anti poaching regulations. Pistol - loaded and ready to hand, rifle - unloaded cased in the trunk. Your state laws might vary, of course, but the whole point of the pistol is that it was legal without the brace to begin with.

Once you pin that flash hider on you lose the expanded freedoms that pistols have. For what?

 

[ol' scratch]

A conversation with a friend and several scotches led to a stupid drunken rant. I don't partake too often, but when I do I really should hide all the devices. I am going to take a wait and see attitude regarding this issue. As much as this is a pain, I will take the brace off and shoot it as a pistol.

 

[Ryanxia]

If you think this is just about Sig braces, it's not.

Taken from a comment on TFL

The new ruling redefines the word "redesign" in order to make this "logic." To clear up the current logic, shouldering a pistol makes it a SBR, two handing a pistol makes it an AoW, and one handing a rifle with a pistol grip (like the standard AR15) is making a pistol out of a rifle.

I posted this on the discussion in the legal section about the recent letter on the Sig brace.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about your Sig brace pistol as is, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Willie Sutton]

^^ This.

I think it's time we really start appreciating SIG for leading what will in the end perhaps be some good litigation. Anyone else following the MPX lawsuit? It's still continuing forward. SIG stands to be the company who litigates the BATFE into a corner regarding the NFA.


Willie

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[HankB]

Needless to say I don't want to be the test case, but I would dearly love to see the judge and jury's faces when a fed.gov prosecuting attorney argues - in court! - that how a legal firearm is held by the shooter determines whether or not a felony is being committed.

 

[Averageman]

Something is either legal or it is not. If using something in a manner other than it was designed for changes its legal and taxable status, following that line of thought I should be able to take a picture of a calf in my Mustang GT and then register it as a truck and pay lower taxes on it.
It is legal or it isn't, at this point I'm thinking this is a large case of CYA because we are missing out on a lot of Tax Stamp money we should be making.

 

[HRnightmare]

There is no mechanism for enforcement. Nobody is going to tail you to the range and arrest you. The ATF simply doesn't have the resources. They are pursuing bigger fish and the average brace owner isn't worth their time of day.

I would normally agree however I would not be suprised if they went to make a martyr of someone.

This issue has been consuming some time on various forums recently and I have given it some thought. I have found that they make a 5.5 inch flash suppressor. I am going to put said flash suppressor on my AR pistol with the SIG brace and weld it in place. I will keep the SIG brace and KAK buffer tube in place. Silly? Maybe, but it is my form of protest. I have a family to worry about and can't spend time towing the line regarding this issue.

At that point you might as well put a real stock on it.

 

[HRnightmare]

Will you likely get thrown in jail because of an undercover ATF agent at the range? Highly highly unlikey.

Will public ranges likely not allow you to shoulder them, tell you not knock it off or even kick you off their property for it? Seems more likely!

 

[ugaarguy]

I have found that they make a 5.5 inch flash suppressor. I am going to put said flash suppressor on my AR pistol with the SIG brace and weld it in place. I will keep the SIG brace and KAK buffer tube in place. Silly? Maybe, but it is my form of protest.

First, that's compliance with the law, so it isn't really a protest.

A conversation with a friend and several scotches led to a stupid drunken rant. I don't partake too often, but when I do I really should hide all the devices. I am going to take a wait and see attitude regarding this issue. As much as this is a pain, I will take the brace off and shoot it as a pistol.

Second, the OP has decided not to do it, so I don't see anything left to discuss.