hollowpointt
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Thinking of selling my least fovorite Sig P239 to purchase a M&P. Tell me more about the M&P.
Sig for a M&P
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MrPoker
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Feels great in the hand.
Has great balance.
Shoots where you point it.
Has a trigger pull that feels like your are dragging your fingers across 60 grit sandpaper just before it fires which may or may not annoy the living crap out of you.
Has great balance.
Shoots where you point it.
Has a trigger pull that feels like your are dragging your fingers across 60 grit sandpaper just before it fires which may or may not annoy the living crap out of you.
10-Ring
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If the 239 isn't one that you like or use & the M&P is...then by all means - do it. First tho - rent & shoot the M&P & see if you can live w/ the grip & trigger and if you're willing to go through the apparent break in period 
rbernie
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I shot a rental M&P 40S&W and the trigger was GOOD - it really does clean up with use.
If it points for you better than the Sig - do it.
If it points for you better than the Sig - do it.
sig228
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Apples and Oranges
I believe that the P239 was designed for CCW. The M&P isn't. At least the older M&P - I understand that they JUST released an M&P Compact. For me, my M&P 9 was just a little too big. Double stack too - but 17 + 1 sure was sweet I guess its all about what you want it for. But something that I have learned very quickly with guns - its the "grass is always greener" concept. You might be kicking yourself in a few months if you let that Sig go too soon.
I believe that the P239 was designed for CCW. The M&P isn't. At least the older M&P - I understand that they JUST released an M&P Compact. For me, my M&P 9 was just a little too big. Double stack too - but 17 + 1 sure was sweet
I guess its all about what you want it for. But something that I have learned very quickly with guns - its the "grass is always greener" concept. You might be kicking yourself in a few months if you let that Sig go too soon.treebeard
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I am in the same boat. I love the size of the P239, but I cannot for the life of me hit squat with it. I had the M&P .40, but I sold it due to the snap of the .40 round. I am going to my local dealer to pick up a LNIB M&P 9mm for $425. CCW is not that much of an issue as I carry a S&W Model 36 when I go out.
---Purchased the M&P 9mm this afternoon and went to the range. OH YEAH BABY, she is a keeper for sure. Now I remember why I liked the feel of the M&P .40 when it first came out!
---Purchased the M&P 9mm this afternoon and went to the range. OH YEAH BABY, she is a keeper for sure. Now I remember why I liked the feel of the M&P .40 when it first came out!
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It's my favorite polymer pistol. I have two in 9 mm w/o internal safeties/locks. The multiple grip panels are nice; therefore the ergos are great. The trigger is nice and I am very quick and accurate with the pistol. Felt recoil is oddly low. Single shots don't seem to make much of a difference compared to other polymer pistols, but rapid shots are noticeably less snappy which means there is less TOT (i.e., "time off target") which is a good thing.
Trigger reset, while not as short as a Glock is very nice as is the trigger pull. I've no issue with overtravel as some magazines have reported. There are modifications that can be made to the sear to reduce the over travel. There exists a .pdf file with all of the instructions or simply pay $50 to have it done.
M&P parts are now offered in Brownells and they are very inexpensive.
My only disappointment is the magazine follower:barrel feedramp interface. The rounds really CRASH into the feedramp - and I'm speaking about Winchester Whitebox ball ammo. It always feeds the rounds - including all hollowpoints, but it really shouldn't do this. I can insert a full mag and slowly release the slide and it will hangup - the nose of the round will be impacting the feedramp. If I drop the slide on a full mag there will be two distinct (both audible and vibration) impacts. My 1911s, P2000, USP, P226s and/or P7 don't do this.
That said there is an updated follower - gray in color - and can be found with the compact version of these pistols. They place the cartridge in a more "nose up" position and it sits about 0.2 inches higher -- until one loads 7 or 8 rounds or more into the pistol and then the top round will sit like it does with the black (version I) mag followers (i.e., just about parallel with the floorplate).
Again, this doesn't appear to harm the function of the pistol, but it's directionally very wrong. The cartridge should be placed such that the impact of the feedramp is relatively insignificant. The P2000 appears to be best in this regard for 9mm pistols and gives me much confidence for feeding any type of 9 mm ammo.
Solution: There are relief cuts in the mag housing and follower. The reliefs need to be reduced in dimension to avoid the follower tilting forward. Ideally, the follower should place the cartridge as high as possible and as steep as possible without having the extractor have issues with the rim. Perhaps it is. If so, it's an oversight as feeding/extracting are the most important aspects of a self-defense pistol.
Overall Rating:
Design:A+ Awesome ergos and perceived recoil reduction; contained fire group which includes the frame rails.
Execution: B+ (front sight loose on one, replaced slide; new barrel & followers for the feed "concern" - it didn't effect shooting)
Company Service: A+
Accuracy: A+ Similar, but not quite the equal to my P226 using same ammo.
Intangibles: Conceived, designed, developed, manufactured and assembled in the United States of America.
Anyone interested in a P226?
Trigger reset, while not as short as a Glock is very nice as is the trigger pull. I've no issue with overtravel as some magazines have reported. There are modifications that can be made to the sear to reduce the over travel. There exists a .pdf file with all of the instructions or simply pay $50 to have it done.
M&P parts are now offered in Brownells and they are very inexpensive.
My only disappointment is the magazine follower:barrel feedramp interface. The rounds really CRASH into the feedramp - and I'm speaking about Winchester Whitebox ball ammo. It always feeds the rounds - including all hollowpoints, but it really shouldn't do this. I can insert a full mag and slowly release the slide and it will hangup - the nose of the round will be impacting the feedramp. If I drop the slide on a full mag there will be two distinct (both audible and vibration) impacts. My 1911s, P2000, USP, P226s and/or P7 don't do this.
That said there is an updated follower - gray in color - and can be found with the compact version of these pistols. They place the cartridge in a more "nose up" position and it sits about 0.2 inches higher -- until one loads 7 or 8 rounds or more into the pistol and then the top round will sit like it does with the black (version I) mag followers (i.e., just about parallel with the floorplate).
Again, this doesn't appear to harm the function of the pistol, but it's directionally very wrong. The cartridge should be placed such that the impact of the feedramp is relatively insignificant. The P2000 appears to be best in this regard for 9mm pistols and gives me much confidence for feeding any type of 9 mm ammo.
Solution: There are relief cuts in the mag housing and follower. The reliefs need to be reduced in dimension to avoid the follower tilting forward. Ideally, the follower should place the cartridge as high as possible and as steep as possible without having the extractor have issues with the rim. Perhaps it is. If so, it's an oversight as feeding/extracting are the most important aspects of a self-defense pistol.
Overall Rating:
Design:A+ Awesome ergos and perceived recoil reduction; contained fire group which includes the frame rails.
Execution: B+ (front sight loose on one, replaced slide; new barrel & followers for the feed "concern" - it didn't effect shooting)
Company Service: A+
Accuracy: A+ Similar, but not quite the equal to my P226 using same ammo.
Intangibles: Conceived, designed, developed, manufactured and assembled in the United States of America.
Anyone interested in a P226?
treebeard
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Chui, have you gotten the chance to compare the feedramp on a fullsize M&P and the compact? I have had my M&P compact for a few days now and I like it better than the fullsize.
No, I've not, but you have the newer gray followers so you should have less of a problem. At some point the follower will tilt (assuming the cross sectional geometry of the mags hasn't changed) and the hard impacts into the feedramp will occur.
Try loading the mag full and insert it into the stock and slowly walk the slide forward. The cartridge should not fail by impacting the feed ramp. WIth one round in the mag I have no issues with the full size with maybe six or so, the concern returns.
Try loading the mag full and insert it into the stock and slowly walk the slide forward. The cartridge should not fail by impacting the feed ramp. WIth one round in the mag I have no issues with the full size with maybe six or so, the concern returns.
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