Imho, ommv
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I just can't image what forum or who the "gang" of Sig Bashers could be..
Keep this in mind, yes "management" has changed hands.. New management comes from Kimber. Kimber, for whatever reasons, had 3 things going for it, good and bad.
1. Produced some of the most eloquent 1911's to hit the display cases, and worked well when it came to the "sell the sizzle" angles of buying sight on-scene at a "lower competitive price" compared to the more proven 1911's of Colt, Springfield Armory, etc.. And they sold "a lot" of 1911's with their "beautiful" NIB guns.
2. But, at the same time, from my own experience and reads, in great part, of others, those beautiful guns kept giving the owner problems and they would go back to the factory (under warranty) for fix after fix until "many owners" lost confidence in their 1911's and dumped them for Colts, SA, etc. and is the reason that "used Kimber 1911's" far outweigh any of the other made 1911's on the dealers display cases. This, for me, has not changed over the nearly 3yrs I have been going to 3 gun stores.. Used Kimbers sure, good selection but used Sigs, very hard to find one/any in the shops.
3. On the filp side of bad things about Kimbers and quality control, there are "many" completely, and ongoing, satisfied owners of Kimber 1911's out there.
Sig, has taken the "sell the sizzle" Kimber-approach" with many of their existing guns, i.e P226, 229, and their, of late, introduction of their 1911 series guns.
The teething problems of the first generation 1911's with problem after fixed, but not fixed, problems is a known fact..
There has been a problem with some of the P220/45's that made it out the door to the public with internal extractor problems. Not all, but enough to have them change the now, current P220/45 with external extractors, in my view, as an attempt to dis-spell an internal extractor problem that became "the rage" of many unhappy ex-owners..
I have owned my P220/45 with internal extractor for nearly 3 yrs, and it is going on 2000 rounds, all flawless, and is 100% proven reliable, from NIB day-one up to this writing..
I suspect that in order to make more profit, they have cut down on quality control testing, and possible MIM parts, of late, that will give/keep Warranty personal far busier with the "number of sales of guns out there", yesterday, today, and tomorrow and, for every gun that is fixed right, the first time, there will be a gun that is not fixed "right" and those unhappy owners are gonna jump around the camp fire and throw fuel onto it as it becomes a bond fire, as unhappy mobs can't let go, only grow, every time, anytime a particular gun, model is mentioned or asked about that they had an issue with that was not resolved, or could not be resolved, in, and with, their confidence-level of said gun/model.
It doesn't mean that all of them, guns/models, are bad, won't go the distance, etc. but those bent on the current trend/management are gonna tell their story, over and over, whenever "the_question" is asked more so that those with no issues. That's just the nature of the_beast.
I would be unhappy, too, IF, I had a gun, sent it in, and it came back and the problem came back, or another problem surfaced, and my confidence in said gun "vanished".. After all, "confidence in ones gun/s" is the name of the game for those that say positive things about a gun/maker/model, and those that say negative things about the same gun/maker/model..
IMHO, stick with Sigs P229, 226, 220, their main, long time standing, models in 9mm, 40, and 45, and chances are "good" that from day one, NIB, your gun will work, 100% of the time, with accuracy, as designed to operate, given the "ease of disassembly, inspections, cleanings, and reassembly..
Buying a used Sig is also a very viable alternative IF you have any doubts about paying full price for a NIB gun vs half the price, aprox., for a good, proven, older model of the same make, but from old management vs current management..
From all that I know, during the last 3yrs that have bought NIB Sigs of model mentioned (in good standing), not one person that I have seen over and over at my range, or at one of the gun shops I frequent, have ever said, nor had, one issue with those guns, of late, mentioned and sold.
To be told that what you're buying is junk compared to "the older guns of over 5yrs ago and longer has a truth in it, yet, there are "many" completely, happy, satisfied, believers, 100%, in the guns/models they have bought, shot, and will keep, for a long time the guns they bought from 5yrs back or newer as well.
Sig, as of today, is still one of the better guns to buy, vs others, along with, CS personal and timely customer satisfaction for both parts and repairs, compared to many others out there, as well, is still a buyers bonus, in my book.
I speak from experience as an owner and CS, recipient, of both, needs of worn out parts, springs, etc, and CS treatment that went beyond what I expected (for free/parts), and follow-up..
I'd buy a NIB Sig today, of models mentioned favorably, without hesitation as all of my Sigs, P229's/9mm/40cal P220/45 are both time-proven (years) and round count-proven (combined aprox totals of over 15k rounds @ 100%) because of simple, proper, maintenance, inspections, quality ammo, lubricants and cleaners, and handgun applications thru grip, etc., etc.
Bottom line: these Sigs are very "forgiving" in the right hands, for most. Far better than many non-forgiving, demanding, guns, out there, that can only work with nothing less that on-going perfection, including climate temperatures, namely in colder weather or "extremely hot temps".
Luck,
Ls
Thanks all
