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Sig P365 9MM - First Range Trip

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Walkalong, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. Walkalong

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    A post from yesterday in another thread. Previous to shooting it. (New somewhat better pic):

    "I called Academy this mid AM and they said they got two in this morning. Turns out they will not take the trigger lock off for you to look at it, making it tough to get a feel for the grip, much less the trigger pull. It will go against the Shield I have (Which I like a lot) very soon.

    In person it isn't that "big", and doesn't want to catch on stuff. Could be thinner, but not an issue IMHO. Doesn't stick out any more than the slide catch and tapered so it's thin and rounded on the front/back edges. YMMV of course.

    Where the Shield is long in the grip front to back, especially compared to how thin it is, the P-365 is a little wider and is short front to back. Big difference there. If you have long hands/fingers it may be an issue. My hands are wide/medium length. Almost all "large" gloves are too small and many "XL" gloves are tight on me. Grip is manageable dry firing. I could stand the grip to be longer, I definitely won't be carrying the flush fit mag, but have not been using the short mag on the Shield either.

    Trigger is lighter/shorter, reset is shorter. Nice.

    Sights? Yet to be decided. Need target time. Night sights are a plus (Unless you don't want them), but at $500 you do pay for them. The white dot on the front sight of the Shield is easier to pick up with bad eyes and no glasses inside, dunno about outside.

    With the Shield and the P-365 mags fully loaded (8 & 10) with nothing in the chamber the overall weights are too close to tell without a scale. The Shield is front (Slide) heavy and the P-365 is grip heavy, making the Sig "feel" lighter in the hand.

    No doubt about it compared to a few years ago."


    Comparison Pic with the Shield.
    Shield & P-365 9MMs.JPG
     
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  2. Walkalong

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    Today I took the P-365 to the range with various ammo to test the functionality, see how I liked the sights, and see how it shot for me. I shot the Shield with the same ammo for a recoil comparison.

    I brought some "full power" 90 Gr JHPs ("Little Lasers"), some factory RG 95 Gr JSPs, some plated 124 Gr "plinkers", some "full power" 125 Gr JHPs (RMR MPR), some "full power" 125 Gr JSPs, and some Factory 124 Gr HSTs.

    P-365 Range Trip Pic 3.JPG P-365 Range Trip Pic 1.JPG P-365 Range Trip Pic 2.JPG
     
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    I liked the green circle around the tritium insert out in the daylight even more than I expected after seeing it only inside. In low light under the awning it tends to look black, but out in the sunlight it is bright and easy to pick up with old eyes that need readers to see sights clearly. I did all my shooting today without glasses. The green front was easy to pick up and aim using only it or the rear as well. I also did a little bit of point shooting also, not using the sights at all.
    P-365 Range Trip Pic 4.JPG
    P-365 Range Trip Pic 5.JPG

    I shot 10 rounds of each load, not including the Fed HSTs, through the P-365 and then a couple of the same thing through the Shield for a recoil comparison. (10 yards to the berm) Recoil is similar, but I give a very small edge in comfort to the P-365. I figure it is because there is more weight in the grip and the grip is wider and flatter in the rear.

    After the first ten rounds of each load and the comparison shots in the Shield I loaded up 10 of each load again and shot them fairly rapid fire. All of the shooting so far was at a plastic insert from a 50 round ammo box on the berm at 10 yards. Even though most shooting wasn't carefully aimed it was much worse for wear at the end of it all.

    Then I picked out two of each of the loads, except for the Factory HSTs, fumbled them around in my hand, then loaded that 10 rounds into the mag in no particular order. I did this three times for a total of 30 rounds. I did this firing one handed.

    The loaded chamber indicator on the P-365 is very large and it made it easy to see the round inside. I like that a lot. Too bad they don't put 9MM on the barrel like the Shield has. I like that too.
    P-365 Range Trip Pic 6.JPG

    All done with that part of the testing.
    P-365 Range Trip Pic 8.JPG
     

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  4. Walkalong

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    Then I went back to the table in the shade, set up the chrono, and got some numbers.

    All with 3" P-365. 73 Degrees 35% Relative Humidity. Sunny with some clouds.

    90 Gr JHP. (RMR) ("Little Lasers") ("Full Power") 1.065 +/- .001 OAL
    Hi=1297
    Lo=1235
    Avg=1268 (3" EMP (Fast Barrel) did 1313 at an earlier date)
    ES=62
    SD=24

    95 Gr JSP. (RG Factory) 1.060 +/- OAL
    Hi=1174
    Lo=1139
    Avg=1155
    ES=33
    SD=15

    124 Gr Plated Plinker 1.060 +/- OAL
    Hi=930
    Lo=913
    Avg=920 (3.1" Shield did 885 at an earlier date)
    ES=17
    SD=6

    125 Gr JSP (Master Match) ("Full Power") 1.125 +/- .001 OAL
    Hi=1121
    Lo=1101
    Avg=1110 (3.1" Shield did 1099 at an earlier date)
    ES=20
    SD=8

    124 Gr JHP (RMR MPR) ("Full Power") 1.070 to 1.075 OAL
    Hi=1035
    Lo=1013
    Avg=1025 (3.1" Shield did 1021 at an earlier date)
    ES=22
    SD=9

    124 Gr HST (#P9HST1) 1.100 +/- OAL
    Hi=1076
    Lo=1048
    Avg=1062
    ES=28
    SD=11
     
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  5. Walkalong

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    After the chrono testing I loaded it up with 10 rounds of the factory HSTs twice and shot them at the plastic insert which was still at the berm, but now 40+ yards away. made it dance.

    So all in all I shot nearly 200 rounds of various power levels, types, and OAls through the P-365. Most two handed, but some one handed (the mix and match loaded mags)

    No special preparation, I just took it out of the case, looked to see that it was sufficiently oiled from the factory, had no obvious issues, the bore was clean and free of trash, and just loaded it and shot it.

    There were no failures of any kind. I'll take that.

    I like this pistol a great deal. if it had another 1/4" of grip length I would absolutely love it. My pinky barely hangs on the extension on the 10 round mag. Another 1/8" would be nice, and another 1/4" would be awesome.

    I am not sure how you compare it to the Shield, as they are two different sizes. I like both, I like the P-365 a little bit better in some ways, and I shoot it better "point" shooting. (It did really well for me here.)

    Is it worth another $200 over the Shield? They are both very nice pistols, and $200 is a lot for night sights. Which would I recommend? Both, and shoot them both to see which you like better.

    Am I happy I bought it? Yes, I am ( Very pleased and relived, $500 isn't pocket change.)

    Is it worth the $200 over the Shield, saving up longer, or doing without longer to catch up after buying it? I have to say that for me the answer is yes, it is, and will be. Pricey? It surely isn't cheap. I paid $300 for the Shield which I was very happy with. :)
     
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    Excellent test and review! Thanks for running the numbers too! Was thinking about getting a Shield eventually but that may take a back seat to getting a P365 first.
     
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    Two pics in my hand for comparison.
    P-365 & My Hnad Comparison Pic 1.jpg P-365 & My Hnad Comparison Pic 2.jpg

    I guess I should have laid a ruler across it. :)
     
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    The trigger. Hmm. Great for self defense and fast shooting (IMHO, I am no guru), a bit like a DA revolver but shorter and smooth throughout. The "break"? Kind of just lets go. I like it, but it isn't the kind you bring just to the point of breaking and then edge past it when you are ready. Just a nice smooth take up until it lets go. Then when it lets go it keeps some pressure on so it doesn't want to jump like some do when they "break"/release the mechanism. I did not take any targets, but it obviously shot well. I wore that plastic insert out, poor little thing. :)
     
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    Thanks for the last photo; man is that gun small! The trigger sounds a bit like the one on my Kahr CM9. I see on SIG's website that it has a flat base plate magazine in addition to the extended base plate version. That's great as I have small enough hands that I think I would prefer the flat base plate magazine.
     
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    From the tip of the muzzle to the tip of the the back of the frame it is almost exactly 5.8".

    From the top of the slide to the bottom of the tip of the mag extension it is almost exactly a hair under 4.5".
     
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    On the Kahr I had the issue with the trigger for me was how far back I had to pull it, plus the fact that it was rotating up some at that point. My finger was so scrunched up trying to finish the trigger pull it made it tough to shoot well. No issue like that with this Sig.
     
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    With my CM9 the trigger pull is smooth all the way through and relatively short, compared to other Kahrs I tried. That's what sold me on it. Sounds like the P365 trigger might even be better than my CM9. Will definitely have to check that out!
     
  13. Fiv3r

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    Excellent review:)

    The 365 is one nice looking gun. Then again, I have always thought the 320 was a handsome gun while others find it a bit homely.

    If they ever drop to around $400, I will be hard pressed not to buy one.
     
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    Hopefully we will see that, surely they have some wiggle room in there.

    Maybe a longer grip size Sig? Hmmm..... :)
     
  15. Walkalong

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    I have discovered the 12 round mag for the P-365.
    12-round-mag-365.jpg

    Looks like the additional 1/8" plus I would like.

    Atlantic Tactical had the lowest price I saw and actually had them in stock. Stuck me on shipping ($9), but I ordered one.
     
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    Well that's a bit of a game changer: a 12 round magazine in an already compact package!
     
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    Yea, but changes it from a micro compact "pocket gun", albeit a large pocket, to a sub compact that will fit in far fewer pockets. I did not envision it as a pocket gun though. Like the Shield has been doing, it will stay on a magnet under the dash to the right side of the steering column in easy reach while driving, then slipped in my waistband when I get out.

    I have a NAA .22 Mag and a .32 Seecamp for pocket guns. My wife's father gave her a Pico which is a neat little pocket gun, and the Nano looks interesting as one as well. I am way behind the times with my all steel Seecamp. :)
     

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    The first steel plate (10") is at 17 yards from the front edge of the deck. I can stand on the deck and can keep all the rounds from my Shield on it if I am careful, and that will be one of the tests for the P-365, with the 10 round mag. But I mainly need to be able to pull it and put rounds center of mass at 5 to 10 yards relatively quickly. I will practice that of course. I need to finally break down and get an IDPA full sized silhouette steel target so I can do that without having to go the the gun club.

    IMG_20170429_153553_673.jpg
     
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    Nice write up = well done and very comprehensive.

    I have a P365 and still trying to wrap my head around it as THE CCW for me.

    I have EDC'ed a Glock 23 for about a 1/4 century and the smaller gun and different caliber are what I need to adjust to.

    Own a Kimber solo,S&W shield .45acp,Kahr PM40,sold a Rorhbaugh [ NOT pleasant to shoot at all ].

    And a few other pocket .38's etc,so just got 2 holsters for the P365 and will see how they run from draw & fire drills.

    Liked the chrono stuff, as I have shot over 10 different high end H.P.'s from the P365 and so far all worked,but was wondering what the actual numbers could be.
     
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    I shot a friends P365 today and loved it! Put all 12 rounds in an inch hole at 21 feet and handed it back to him. He said thanks for out shooting me with my own gun!! lol. The little Sig was smaller then a G43 with a 8rd magazine, with a 12rd extended magazine inserted. Very impressive!
     
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    I think from a marketing perspective it's a bit unfair to compare the P365 to the Shield. The P365 is still a new product with limited availability and a lot of buzz, so the price floor is still pretty high. The Shield is a mature product on its second generation that is nearly ubiquitously available at this point, so of course you can pick up first-generation Shields for $100-$200 less than a P365 (if you can find one). I got a Shield right away when they came out and paid about $50 less then than I paid for the P365 I bought a month or two ago, so if you compare them at similar points in their product life cycles, the P365 is highly competitive.

    Compared to the Kahr guns, I agree about the triggers. The P365 trigger feels similar, but trigger pull length is much shorter. The Kahrs are a similar size, but on the PM9/MK9 guns, even my small hands on the small grips tend to make me pull shots because of the long trigger pull. The P365 has a similarly petite feel to it, but since the trigger pull length is so much shorter, I don't have the same effect show up when shooting.
     
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    Excellent review and write up. These are two that I keep looking at and will probably end up buying both.
     
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    I keep saying that too, but the good ones are pricey!!! (3/8" AR500) Then add in a new mounting system, and we are talking some cash for sure...
     
  24. Walkalong

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    And why I still don't have one. But I am thinking 1/4" @ 10 yards should be fine for this (thoughts?). No doubt 3/8" would be better. :)
     
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    You really want 3/8" AR500 minimum. While handgun rounds likely won't crater 1/4" AR500 it'll bend over time -- if you primarily hit off center it'll get convex, not really a problem but if you hit mostly in the center it'll get a concave area and act like a big crater to focus splatter back towards the firing line.

    Happens at our club with the 3/8" the plates in the rack (shot at 10-15 yards up to .44Mag allowed) eventually get convex and someone will "decide" they need to turn them around and then there is a rash of complaints about getting hit with splatter. I think management has finally realized the convex is better than concave and possibly even better than flat.
     
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