rellascout
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Flash!
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I would think that if the 238 had issues, and this model is made on the same basic design, they would have eliminated the bugs before releasing the 938.....
but also, I do believe a few people who had issues with the 238 are just more vocal than the majority who no troubles at all...... thats just human nature.....
IMHO...... I still consider Sig's to be the most dependable and durable handguns made.... I plan on getting one of these 938's asap.
but also, I do believe a few people who had issues with the 238 are just more vocal than the majority who no troubles at all...... thats just human nature.....
IMHO...... I still consider Sig's to be the most dependable and durable handguns made.... I plan on getting one of these 938's asap.
rellascout
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Sorry but that is simply not the case. Do the research. It was a flawed design when it was a Colt. It is a flawed design as a Sig. It was built to meet a price point in a competitive 380 auto market. It has had teething problems from its introduction. Even Bruce Gray who blesses almost every single Sig in existence refuses to work on the P238 because he cannot guarantee reliability even after his work. Look at the list of changes.... there really are 5 generations.
Sig has not been a rock solid company in the last decade. They still make good if not great guns but you cannot name a new Sig product that did not have a problem when it was introduced. The GSR 1911, Mosquito, P238, P250, P290 Sig 556, Sig 556R and the list goes on and on... They are still trading on the old rep of the old German company they once were.
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I like it. It is something I will be keeping an eye on. I will say that sig has had me excited before with what they show on paper only to be very disappointed by the actual execution (the sig 556R, should have been the ultimate AK instead it was an epic fail).
Dr_B
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My favorite handgun is my P226, but the 238 left me wanting a j-frame instead. I am not overly excited about the 938. Sig makes nicer looking guns and I could get a pocket 9mm for a lot less from some other company. But I do want to try one out.
I couldn't agree more.
the posts that pertain to P238 pistols in other threads are overwhelmingly positive.
Flash!
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Rellascout..... I still have to disagree with you on the Sigs...... if the 238 was trying to meet a price point, why are they so expensive for being a 380? And as for all the different models you mention as all being problems, I still say the few owners with a problem, are more vocal than owners with no issues....... I own or have owned or have friends who own almost every one of those models, and we have not experienced the troubles you are refering to.....
.and I have never heard of any model, regardless of brand, without some kind of issue when first introduced..... and a lot of the vocalized opinions are based on relatively limited experience with the brand or model mentioned..... for example some people really rag on the Hi Point guns... but the people who say they would never buy one, tend to be the same people who have never owned one.... just my humble opinion.....
.and I have never heard of any model, regardless of brand, without some kind of issue when first introduced..... and a lot of the vocalized opinions are based on relatively limited experience with the brand or model mentioned..... for example some people really rag on the Hi Point guns... but the people who say they would never buy one, tend to be the same people who have never owned one.... just my humble opinion.....
maskedman504
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rellascout your posts drip with so much sarcasm that seeing your name in a thread is off putting.
Not a Sig fan myself, but do you work for Consumer Reports or something? If not, you should apply there.
Not a Sig fan myself, but do you work for Consumer Reports or something? If not, you should apply there.
Cactus Jack Arizona
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Hmmm. I used to have a P238 and would only give it a 3 out of 5 stars. Yes, it was a beautiful gun. I loved the weight of it and the night sights were awesome. My main problem was two fold. 1) It was destroying the casings. My gunsmith blurted out some very colorful metaphors when he saw them. 2) The trigger could have been better, especially for it's price. The trigger on my under $300 Bersa Thunder .380 feels and functions sooo much better.
That said, in a year or two, I'll be interested in checking out the new 938, as long as Sig builds a better trigger for it.
That said, in a year or two, I'll be interested in checking out the new 938, as long as Sig builds a better trigger for it.
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StrikeFire83
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rellascout, I have no idea why you are so upset about Sigs. Maybe you were burned by them. I can understand that. I had a bad Kimber and I would never buy another gun from them.
That said, I shot two very recent iterations of the P238 several times recently. (My friend has the silver slide/black frame version and his wife has the red engraved one) Both of those guns have been flawless in my hands on several range trips, and I've never seen their owners have a problem with them either.
Bottom line, rellascout, we know your opinion on Sigs. But this model isn't even out yet and you've already decided that it's garbage. We get it. Until or unless you have some substantive info about the P938, please take it elsewhere.
That said, I shot two very recent iterations of the P238 several times recently. (My friend has the silver slide/black frame version and his wife has the red engraved one) Both of those guns have been flawless in my hands on several range trips, and I've never seen their owners have a problem with them either.
Bottom line, rellascout, we know your opinion on Sigs. But this model isn't even out yet and you've already decided that it's garbage. We get it. Until or unless you have some substantive info about the P938, please take it elsewhere.
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rbernie
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Let's keep this focused on guns and not personalities, please.
rellascout
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I am not upset at all. I am really unemotional about the subject of Sig and its pistols. It is funny you bring up Kimber...
If you dig around you will understand the irony of your statement.Of the 15+ Sigs I have owned over the last 10 years or so I have had issues with just a few. I had a Gen 1 GSR which had a extractor pin walk out on me. Sig fixed that. I had a P220 with a milled steel slide which had a bad extractor. It took Sig 2 trys to get that one fixed. My P250 Gen 1 had extraction issues before I sold it with full disclosure.
I have not said that the P938 is garbage. What I have stated is that it is a modified version of the P238. Which is a modified version of the Colt Mustang which IMHO is a flawed design. You do know that Sig bought the rights to reproduce the Mustang right.....? Its flaws are well documented when it was the Colt Mustang and as the P238. Anyone who denies that the P238s history has been plagued with issues is ignoring the facts. The issues were not an ocassional hiccup of one gun here or one gun there. The current production P238 seems to be OK as long as you change the recoil spring every 300 to 500 rounds. I will give Sig credit they seem to sell a lot of them.
It will be interesting to see how well the external extractor works in this design. I personally would not even consider one until it has been on the market for 2+ years. It took that long for the P238 to get to where it is today.
I replaced my original recoil spring at 1500 rounds and have yet to have a failure of any kind with what you call a flawed design.
I really hate to see people bypass what IMO is by far the best pocket 380 out there because of a couple of people that seem to seek out very possible chance to denigrate this fine pistol.
I have had bad experiences with a few pistols over time but don't look for every opportunity to knock those particular models because of my lone bad experiences.
If you read through the threads here you will find that every brand of pocket 380 pistol out there has had their share of problems, but that doesn't equate to flawed designs.
You're being very generous, as it wasn't even an original Colt design. It had previously been imported by FI and Excam...and yes they had documented problems too.rellascout said:
The 238 seems to have addressed the issue with a much heavier slide and round wire spring, but it doesn't really address the insufficient length of the recoil travel for prolonged function. Bruce Gray has had experience with models from all 4 manufacturers and explained that it's short comings were well known.
I would agree that the 238 is one of the best feeling pocket .380s available. I'd even consider that they might be functional at this point in their development. But to make it slightly longer in 9mm and return to the use of the flat spring seems less than wisekokapelli said:
All evidence from posts on this board indicate your theories are incorrect. I don't have the heavier slide or the flat springs and have never experienced a failure. When I purchased my P238 I also ordered two extra recoil springs to have on hand and after 1500 rounds on the original recoil spring am on the second one and still no malfunctions of any kind.
The fact that my experience and by far the majority of P238 owners that post here are more than satisfied with their pistols carries way more weight than anything Bruce Gray says (whoever he is).
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I heard about this awhile back. I have the older original slide and no issues at all. Seems holster makers are not aware of this since some will specify that there are 2 different holsters depending on if you have an HD or standard slide. My D.M. Bullard pocket holster is for the original type so hopefully it keeps on chuggin' along.
ETA: What's this about a round recoil spring? The original and second recoil springs where round and then the last version was flat. Are they going back to a round type?
Quack
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took these while i was at SHOT
dcarch
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Anybody know what that little tab is above the mag release, left side?
Flash!
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I was talking with a local wholesaler today...... they said Sig had told them the 938's would be out in March...... but the wholesaler said from past experience with new models, we should expect them in May......
I'm not basing my information on theory. I'm passing along information, easily available of the Sigforum, from the premier Sig custom shop in the country, in an attempt to inform folks of issues with a platform that could be overlooked. The studied the 238 platform in detail before deciding not to offer work on it.kokapelli said:
Am I to understand that you have a 238 with the light slide and the round recoil spring? One usually find the light slide with the flat spring and the heavy slide with the round springs.
I'm not sure if the bolded section of your post above is meant seriously. That would be like saying you weren't familiar with Ron Power (revolvers) or Bill Wilson (1911s). These are the men who have lead the innovation that has improved the platform that they chose to specialize in. It isn't that you need to know who they are to enjoy the product, but to argue a platforms function without respecting their extensive experience only hinders your creditability
If I'd known you were going to be there, we should have made a point of meetingQuack said:
There is no point in arguing the point with you because reading the posts from the very satisfied overwhelming majority of P238 owners proves my point.
Well, "one" is wrong! If you knew as much about the P238 as you claim you would know that the flat recoil spring was a third generation spring while the light slide was a first generation slide.
Robbins290
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if you are talking about the little cut in the slide, its part of the take down. the slide release slides out of that little notch.
Plan2Live
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I would rather have seen a scaled down 239 than a scaled up 238. A DA/SA 239 slightly smaller/lighter than the current version would have been a hotter seller in my opinion.
dcarch
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No, in post #s 16 and 42, there appears to be a metal tab about 1-2 mm above the mag release on the left side. Looks almost squarish. Anybody got a clue as to what that is?
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