I see that Sig has brought back the P225 in the form of the P225-A1. Besides appearance, how is it different (or does it have a different role) than the P239? Dimensionally they are both nearly the same, as they are in weight and capacity. They’re both DA/SA and aluminum framed. Do they plan on phasing out the P239?
Sig Sauer P239 and the P225-A1
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Plan2Live
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While they serve the same role, the 239 has a loyal following so I doubt Sig will phase it out but Sig being Sig they will do what they want to do when they want to do it.
I carry a 239 and it will take a lot to make me switch. One advantage that I see the 225 having over the 239 is the trigger guard. I think the 225 will fit more off-the-shelf holsters than the 239 because of the more traditional trigger guard on the 225. The sweeping trigger guard on the 239 is pretty much my only complaint. It seems to limit holster options. for some reason most holster manufacturers still look at the 239 as an ankle carried back up gun.
I carry a 239 and it will take a lot to make me switch. One advantage that I see the 225 having over the 239 is the trigger guard. I think the 225 will fit more off-the-shelf holsters than the 239 because of the more traditional trigger guard on the 225. The sweeping trigger guard on the 239 is pretty much my only complaint. It seems to limit holster options. for some reason most holster manufacturers still look at the 239 as an ankle carried back up gun.
Plan2Live
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For the sake of discussion, I ran across a Sig P6 in a local shop yesterday. It looks like it was carried some and shot very little. It had Pacmyr (spelling?) grips on it that made it feel pretty fat. Comfortable but fat. I asked if I could dry fire it and oh my word the DA trigger was some kinda stiff! The SA trigger on the P6 wasn't as nice as my 239 either so......I left the P6 in the case and haven't given it much thought since then until I read this post.
corton93
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What Plan2Live said, I love my 239 but have pretty much given up on the main stream holster manufacturers. ($1000 gun riding in an Uncle Mike's 
). And it's definitely not an ankle gun, it's more or less the same size as my glock 19. As far as I can tell, short of the G10 grips on the P225 and the more squared off trigger guard, they are the same gun. Same size, operation, and capacity. Again, I love my 239 and don't plan on getting rid of it anytime soon, but if I had to buy one or the other again, I would probably go with the P225. (And that's only because im one of those weirdo's who shoots with my index finger on the front of the trigger guard 
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). And it's definitely not an ankle gun, it's more or less the same size as my glock 19. As far as I can tell, short of the G10 grips on the P225 and the more squared off trigger guard, they are the same gun. Same size, operation, and capacity. Again, I love my 239 and don't plan on getting rid of it anytime soon, but if I had to buy one or the other again, I would probably go with the P225. (And that's only because im one of those weirdo's who shoots with my index finger on the front of the trigger guard )Attachments
Chuck R.
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You'd be amazed at what a simple spring swap will do for the P6. The German Polizei mandated a seriously stout mainspring/trigger pull. An order from Wolff Gunsprings and a few minutes on the bench and it will feel like every other SIG.
https://www.gunsprings.com/SIG-SAUER (SIGARMS)/P-225, P-228, P-229/cID1/mID4/dID253#296
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Again, for the sake of discussion, I dropped by Palmetto State Armory today to pick up (in person) an item they had listed on the internet but they were out of stock. Oops, I digress, so while I am out there I go by the gun counter and had the salesman pull out a 225-A1 and examined it from all angles next to a new P239. I carry a 239 with Hogue grips but in my hands the P225-A1 felt better than either mine with the Hogues or the new 239 with the stock grip panels. The 225 had a Short Reset Trigger, which is very noticeable over my stock trigger.
Sig's published specs say the 225 is .3 inches longer (overall length) than the 239 but it appears to me that "length" is accounted for either in the hammer on the 225 which is more like a 229 hammer or the slightly longer beavertail on the 225-A1.
The weight difference was indiscernible. Sig specs have them less than 1 oz apart.
The magazine baseplates on the 225-A1 are flush all around whereas the 239's baseplate has a very slight pinky rest and the "original" 225/P6 has a slight lip on the baseplate that extends slightly beyond flush on the leading edge of the magazine. Whether it is necessary or not, I have a habit of sliding my support hand down the front edge of the pistol grip when performing a rapid magazine change to "help" the magazine exit the mag well. I do this on all semi-autos and it is now a habit. This maneuver will probably be useless on the new 225 as the baseplate is flush all around.
As for which pistol stands the test of time this go around remains to be seen but so far, Sig's website only shows the basic 225-A1. No FDEs, Enhanced Elites, Bi-Tones or SAS versions. If none of those are offered in the next 12 months I would have my doubts about the new 225 sticking around.
I would also watch holster manufacturers and see how many offerings they come up with for the new 225. Just a few thoughts.
Sig's published specs say the 225 is .3 inches longer (overall length) than the 239 but it appears to me that "length" is accounted for either in the hammer on the 225 which is more like a 229 hammer or the slightly longer beavertail on the 225-A1.
The weight difference was indiscernible. Sig specs have them less than 1 oz apart.
The magazine baseplates on the 225-A1 are flush all around whereas the 239's baseplate has a very slight pinky rest and the "original" 225/P6 has a slight lip on the baseplate that extends slightly beyond flush on the leading edge of the magazine. Whether it is necessary or not, I have a habit of sliding my support hand down the front edge of the pistol grip when performing a rapid magazine change to "help" the magazine exit the mag well. I do this on all semi-autos and it is now a habit. This maneuver will probably be useless on the new 225 as the baseplate is flush all around.
As for which pistol stands the test of time this go around remains to be seen but so far, Sig's website only shows the basic 225-A1. No FDEs, Enhanced Elites, Bi-Tones or SAS versions. If none of those are offered in the next 12 months I would have my doubts about the new 225 sticking around.
I would also watch holster manufacturers and see how many offerings they come up with for the new 225. Just a few thoughts.
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toivo
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I love my 239, but all things being equal I would like a bit more grip length. Has anybody compared the new 225 to the 239 in this dimension? If the 225 grip is slightly longer but there's no extension on the mag, then it sounds like it's pretty much a wash. Can anybody confirm this?
Plan2Live
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I have medium sized hands. The 225 felt to me like it had a little more grip space. I think most of that came from the trigger guard undercut. I have no problem getting a three finger grip on the 239 grip but the 225 felt like I had more finger space.
CommanderCrusty
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If you are considering the new Sig P225-A1, you might also consider the P250 Compact with the SMALL grip module. I've been using my P250 with the medium grips and, while the pistol has been 100% reliable and has a great trigger, it just didn't feel RIGHT. So, rather than trade the gun in on somethings else (like a new P225-A1), I risked $50.00 and tried the Compact SMALL grip module. HOLLY HEARTBURN! Now my P250 feels like a real Sig. LOVE it! This has become my EDC. In addition, I have 15 rounds, and a first shot trigger pull that is arguably even better than the new and improved DA/SA. If you love your P226 or have years of training invested in the TDA, go with the P225, otherwise, you might really like the P250 with the SMALL grip.
P250 b CommanderCrusty, on Flickr.
P250 b CommanderCrusty, on Flickr.
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Full three finger grip?
I’ve looked at the P250 in the past and was surprised at how nice the DAO trigger was, almost as nice and my DW 15-2. I didn’t know that the sub compact frame would work with the compact slide/barrel, interesting to note. Can you get a three finger grip on the sub compact frame? That is one of the things I like about my Shield with the eight round magazine, being able to get a full grip on it. Thanks.
I’ve looked at the P250 in the past and was surprised at how nice the DAO trigger was, almost as nice and my DW 15-2. I didn’t know that the sub compact frame would work with the compact slide/barrel, interesting to note. Can you get a three finger grip on the sub compact frame? That is one of the things I like about my Shield with the eight round magazine, being able to get a full grip on it. Thanks.
Sour Kraut
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I have not had any issues finding just about any type of holster for the P239; leather, kydex, hybrid. Yes, if you expect to walk into a gun store and pull one off a rack as for a Glock, you are correct. However, most every manufacturer has P239 holsters that can be ordered.What Plan2Live said, I love my 239 but have pretty much given up on the main stream holster manufacturers. ($1000 gun riding in an Uncle Mike's
Holster selection just isn't a reason to pass on P239.
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