Since I never got an answer... (question for LEOs only)

[Jester249]

But there are now so many ridiculous ways of defining "the bad guy"


No there are not. It really isn't that hard. All thats needed is a little common sense. I realize common sense isn't common to all, but thats about it. Even little old ladies can and do spot "the bad guy".

 

[tcsd1236]

I read something in my local paper tonight that just blew me away.....

Has to be more to it that that. He has to be documenting his time a little bit better. Some agencies use tickets as the sole means of documenting an officers activity level..an officer who was only producing 1/10th as much as anyone else would come under scrutinty in any agency. Question is, does he have the additional arrest stats to justify his patrol behavior? Or is he just mindlessly driving around trying to justify it by his "I'm on patrol" excuse? Is he even ON patrol when he says he is, or has he been caught one too many times someplace he shouldn't be? I would like to hear the rest of THAT story, and I am sure that no one outside the agency involved even knows the full story.

 

[AZRickD]

Some agencies use tickets as the sole means of documenting an officers activity

There's that backdoor quota system again.

What bias?

Rick

 

[DMF]

Hey Rick, do you fit this description?

pax said:
I would like to request that only LEOs or other government employees respond to this thread from this point forward.

 

[AZRickD]

Yes I do. Under a federal grant.

Rick

 

[DMF]

Yes I do. Under a federal grant.

Maybe I should have added the additional caveat from pax:

pax said:
The initial post/question was directed toward people who have sworn an oath to uphold the laws and the Constititution, so that's who should be responding here.

Did your grant require an oath to uphold the Constitution, and the law?

 

[AZRickD]

Each year I sign a document saying I will abide by state and federal laws.

Close enough, or are you trying to stifle debate?

Rick

 

[DMF]

Not trying to stifle debate at all. In other threads your comments wouldn't concern me, but pax wanted to avoid the typical anti-cop/pro-cop bashing on this thread.

BTW, signing a document saying you FOLLOW the law, is MUCH different than taking an OATH to support and defend the Constitution, and ENFORCE the law. Everyone that did the paperwork necessary to get a driver's license, or register to vote has signed documents stating they will obey the law.

Again, from pax (emphasis added):

The initial post/question was directed toward people who have sworn an oath to uphold the laws and the Constititution, so that's who should be responding here.

 

[AZRickD]

The document I signed made no distinction between statutory law, common law, or the highest law of the land, the Constitution. There was no restriction made by the poster about arrest powers either.

And, if you want to be technical...

is directed to those good cops who happen to be libertarian in philosophy: How do you resolve this type of conflict?

Apparently this doesn't apply to you.

As well, either TCSD or Coronach claimed to be a "constitutionalist." One of my friends was the former county and state chair of the Libertarian parter. A constitutionalist is not a Libertarian if tenants of the Constitution violates rights.

So, I'm guessing you'll be deleting all of your posts in this thread?

As far as I'm concerned, the most on-topic response was from me concerning my RKBA buddy who is now struggling with corruption in his PD.

Rick

 

[DMF]

As far as I'm concerned, the most on-topic response was from me concerning my RKBA buddy who is now struggling with corruption in his PD.

Of course you think your anectdote is relevant.

I'm done, I'll let the mods decide.

 

[AZRickD]

What the poster asked was "How do you resolve this type of conflict?"

Sounds like he wanted personal (anecdotal) stories. Do you think he was looking for a peer-reviewed study? Did you post one?

Why don't you tell us which post in this thread answered the question? I didn't see it.

Rick

 

[Don Gwinn]

An interesting experiment, but I think it's over now. Personally, I'd rather lock this than rely on you two to bury the hatchet and go back to the topic, so I guess that's what I'll do. Maybe Pax or someone with more motivation to go wading will open it back up, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[DMF]

What the poster asked was "How do you resolve this type of conflict?"

Yeah, and your story was not about YOU, it was allegedly about some friend of yours. YOU are not forced to deal with the question asked by DocZinn, because YOU do not enforce any laws. Since you are being obtuse, let's also remember the thread title which asks for input from "LEOs only." By your own admission you are not a LEO.

BTW, I did answer the question in my post, so did LawDog in his.

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Mods please, either we open this up for debate to all, or stick to the spirit in which DocZinn and pax have requested. Either way, I don't care, but if the this is to be a anti-cop/pro-cop debate, rather than the thread's stated purpose, I'd like to know what I'm dealing with here before continueing.