I am glad more cops don't sound like this guy

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Typical mindless dog attitude I've seen from so many worthless pieces of scum who fancy themselves white knights in blue uniforms.

I've had dealings with many, many police officers over the last 40 years, some have been OK, many (especially in the late 1960s and early 1970s) were not.

I've found very few "law officers" who are worth the price of the chemicals in their carcasses.
 
Most cops are generally supportive of CCW as far as I know especially of the licensed CCWer's. It's the police chiefs and other assorted clowns with "asses the shape of their chair" as Dirty Harry said, that tend to be the pro-AWB anti-CCW crowd. California cops are a different creature though. 'making more generalizations'
 
sturmruger:

Please provide a link to that thread. I wanna go over there and nuke it--especially that superiority complex puke that calls himself a cop!

Yours,

Powderman
(Your friendly neighborhood Tribal cop who positively LOVES CCW for all, and strongly supports national CCW, without permit, for every adult)
 
Hey guys it's simple, if he is a cop, and he has the typical God with a gun complex, then just ignore him. fastest way to piss him off.
If he's a wannabe nobody troll then ignore him and he will eventually give up and go away.

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My question was, if California's laws and regs are so much better, and their architects and engineers are so much better .... why is it that whenever I read about a house sliding down a hill in a mudslide I can automatically assume it's in California and be right 100% of the time?

Because California is the only state in the union to have mudslides?

-Bill
 
Because California is the only state in the union to have mudslides?
More likely because Californians are the only ones hard up enough for real estate to build on top of a mud slide.

Rick
 
Cops here in CA don't like wannabe cops running around with a concealed weapon.

I'd simply reply with "Wow, nice to know the cops in CA would rather I be a victim than to actually defend myself. Such high regard for those you are supposed to serve and protect. No wonder police get a bad name in that state."
 
I sent him a reply, with this article from the Saturday Arizona Daily Star
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/29510.php


10 YEARS OF CONCEALED-WEAPONS LAW
No evidence of impact on crime

A.E. Araiza / Arizona Daily Star
Preparing to seek concealed-carry permits, Wendy Pennington, left, and Ann Larson get advice from shooting range officer Alan Webber Sr.



Permits in Southern Ariz.

● Tucson and Southern Arizona areas with the most concealed-weapon permit holders (by zip code):

Area Zip Code Permits

East Side 85710 839

Southeast Side 85730 631

Oro Valley 85737 625

Sierra Vista 85635 569

Northeast Side 85749 553

Corona de Tucson 85741 518

Northwest Side 85704 506

Foothills 85750 488

Midtown 85711 474

West Side 85745 465


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Efforts to ease requirements for permits fought
By Eric Swedlund
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

Ten years after it became legal to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona with a permit, proponents say the law has been an absolute success, increasing self-defense options for law-abiding adults without a consequential increase in crime.

While law enforcement officials still keep a close eye on the process and opponents continue to fight attempts to ease requirements to get the permits, there are no real data to suggest the program has led to more gun crime.

Since the state Department of Public Safety began taking applications for the permits in July 1994, more than 120,000 have been issued.

As of May, 67,951 Arizona residents had active permits and 2,311 residents of other states also had Arizona permits, DPS statistics show.

More than half of the permits - 36,520 - are held by Maricopa County residents. Pima County is second with 12,107 permits, about 18 percent of those in the state.

A permit is suspended if a person is arrested on a felony or a domestic violence misdemeanor and then revoked upon a conviction. About 1 percent of the permits have been suspended or revoked, though roughly 40 percent of permits aren't renewed for various reasons, including waning interest or death. emphasis added

Among permit holders, the two largest demographic groups are white or Hispanic men in their 40s and 50s, who combine for 36 percent of all permits. Women make up 20 percent of the permit holders, with the majority of them also being in their 40s and 50s.

The highest concentration of concealed-weapon carriers is in the Glendale 85308 zip code, with 1,042 permit holders. Scottsdale's 85254 zip code is second with 906 permit holders. Tucson's East Side 85710 zip code is third with 839 permit holders.

"A model for other states"

"We feel the program has done very well over the past 10 years," said Sgt. Bill Whalen, supervisor of the DPS Concealed Weapon Permit Unit. "The program has served as a model for other states."

There has been no analysis of whether the concealed-weapon law has had any effect on crime, Whalen said, but nearly everything he's heard points to the vast majority of permit holders as responsible gun owners focused on safety.

"All the people who get concealed weapon permits are law-abiding citizens. These are the people who aren't getting in trouble," Whalen said. "The people who don't care for laws, in general, don't get permits."

Everyone who applies for a permit must complete a training program that covers gun safety, marksmanship and laws regarding use of force.

Judges have even ordered people to take the course after minor gun violations because it is so thorough, Whalen said.

Any U.S. citizen or permanent resident alien over 21 years old with no felony convictions can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon by submitting fingerprints for a criminal background check and completing a 16-hour firearms safety course, under the law. The $50 permits must be renewed every four years.

The bill passed both houses of the Legislature by large margins, 44-16 in the House and 23-4 in the Senate. The measure was signed into law in April 1994 by then Gov. Fife Symington and took effect the following July. The first permits were issued three months later.

Arizona law recognizes concealed-weapons permits from 28 other states, while there are 23 states that recognize Arizona permits, Whalen said.

There have been "virtually no problems" with the law, said Pima County Superior Court Clerk Patti Noland, who sponsored the legislation as the Republican chairwoman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"A lot of the critics that didn't want to see this happen thought there'd be blood running in the streets, and that just hasn't happened," she said.

Noland, who has renewed her permit twice, said the law encourages responsibility and safety with firearms.

"One of the things we wanted people to do is become better educated about our laws and better able to handle a weapon," she said. "They know a lot more about protecting themselves and what the law says about using deadly force."

Several changes proposed

The debate over concealed weapons in Arizona continues.

Among the proposed changes to the law in recent years: establish lifetime permits; reduce the fine for illegally carrying a concealed weapon from $2,500 to $50; allow people with permits to carry weapons in establishments that serve alcohol; and reduce the mandatory training hours.

None of the measures haspassed, but some of them might return to the Legislature.

"Every single year they've come back to the state Legislature and tried to weaken the law. They'll be back next year, they always are," said Gerry Anderson, executive director of Arizonans for Gun Safety, an advocacy group created to prevent gun violence.

Anderson said Arizona has one of the better concealed-carry laws in the country, with thorough criminal background checks, training and four-year renewal periods.

"Proponents say it's been fabulous and crime has gone down, but it's all very anecdotal," she said. "Crime statistics depend on so many multiple variables."

Anderson said her group's opposition isn't directed at the law so much as the repeated attempts to change it.

"The current law seems to be working relatively well," she said. "I couldn't tell you that it has been a complete disaster or a complete success, but we certainly don't want it to be any weaker."

Former legislator Elaine Richardson, a Tucson Democrat who gave the bill a "strong no" vote while serving in the House of Representatives, said she isn't sure what has been shown as far as effects of the law, but her feelings haven't changed.

"I'm as strongly opposed to it as I was 10 years ago," Richardson said. "If I go to the grocery store or someplace and somebody has a weapon, I want to know about it."

Richardson said she "certainly didn't want to take away anybody's right to bear arms," but opposition to the bill did bring about some reasonable prohibitions. For example, people cannot have concealed weapons in certain locations, such as schools and businesses that serve alcohol. And people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions or who are under court orders cannot obtain permits.

Richardson said her opposition is simple. "I just think if somebody has a weapon, then show it," she said.

Todd Rathner, a Tucsonan on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association, called the law a "huge success story."

"Here we are, 10 years later, some 60,000 permits later, and it's working well for law-abiding citizens and for law enforcement," he said. "The anti-gun naysayers were completely wrong when they predicted shootouts over parking spaces and testified about 'blood in the streets.' "

Training is a key to law

Craig Gordon, a former law enforcement officer and certified instructor, said people get permits for a variety of reasons. Some have been victims of crime, some are women who want to defend themselves against an assault, some are hikers who want to be within the law if they cover their holster with a jacket in cold weather.

"I've put a lot of bad people in jail and to continue to be able to carry a gun for my personal protection made sense to me," Gordon said, adding that others get permits more for the education and rarely carry a gun.

Chuck Larson, an employee at Jensen's Arizona Sportsman who has had his permit for about a year, called the training "two extremely interesting days" and said everybody leaves with a firm understanding of the law and responsibilities.

"You start to understand the aspects of the law, when you can use deadly force, why and where, because it's an extreme responsibility," he said. "I see people's attitude change after the class. They're not so cavalier, they're humbled and thoughtful. That's great; it's very beneficial."

Wendy Pennington, 34, is taking the training course for a permit because she hears shots at least once a week in her neighborhood. "I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it," she said.

Ann Larsen, 44, said she is taking the training for the permit strictly for knowledge and that while she owns a gun, she doesn't plan on carrying it, concealed or otherwise.

"The concentrated information is the key to the class. I want the information and to learn how to shoot correctly, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to carry it," she said.

"I have a lot of mixed feelings about carrying a gun in the first place," she said. "Everybody has their own choice to do what they want to do. I think it's fine to have the law that way."

● Contact reporter Eric Swedlund at 629-9412 or at [email protected].

I then stated that 1% of AZ permit holders have thier permits revoked for any criminal reason, and I was willing to bet that more than 1% of all CA cops have been arrested....
I also identified myself as AZ LE, so we'll see what happens......
 
I have a friend who is a CA LEO, I asked him to take a look at this guy's statements. Here are a few specific replies:

All law abiding civilians shall have the right to purchase and possess any firearms while in their house. They should not be allowed to carry a concealed firearm anywhere outside of their property. They are a liability waiting to happen.....

I think law abiding citizens should be able to purchase and carry firearms...Some limits of course...no machineguns or anything like that.

Do I believe that cops are better than the average civilian? Yes.

I work for the citizens of my community, so how could I be better than my employer...I do beleive I am held to a higher standard...but I thrive on being on high moral ground.

Civilians do not deserve to CCW. More liability. If you want to CCW, you have to earn it and prove that you are good enough to have that privilege/right. Until then, keep your guns at home where they belong.

BS, but I do beleive that someone carrying a firearm who is not trained in its use is a disaster waiting to happen.

Further my friend goes on to say:
If a law abiding citizen wants to carry a concealed firearm I could give a rats ass. You may, however run into trouble when you are in the grocery store and reach into your back pocket for your wallet and you gun is exposed....expect to be taken down at gunpoint and God help you if you don't do exactly what the officers tell you. I will never arrest a law abiding citizen for a concealed firearm....unless I am ordered to.


Just wanted to let you know that not all CA LEO's follow this guy's mindset, if he is really a cop at all that is...

-P-
 
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said that my biggest problem with LEO's is attitude.

But, I'm beginning to see that not all LEO's are the same. As many here have made some pretty good sense and remarks that have gotten me thinking.

Wayne
 
Troll? Figure it out for yourself

His name is Kevin and he is in the San Francisco area. Documented online activity from the netblock owned by:

OrgName: City & County of San Francisco
OrgID: CCSF-1
Address: EIS Networks, Department of Pubic
Address: Health, 1380 Howard Street, 3rd Floor
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94103
Country: US

NetRange: 204.68.210.0 - 204.68.210.255
CIDR: 204.68.210.0/24
NetName: AIDS
NetHandle: NET-204-68-210-0-1
Parent: NET-204-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.DATAWAY.COM
NameServer: NS2.DATAWAY.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1994-08-23
Updated: 1999-03-29

TechHandle: BH267-ARIN
TechName: Hurja, Bill
TechPhone: +1-415-255-3573
TechEmail: [email protected]

Are health inspectors in SF sworn LEOs?
 
When I drove truck, I told my dispatcher to keep me out of California, since they where thier own little country. I had a choice on one load, California, or Canada, I chose canada. When I was at the border crossing Canadian Customs asked me why I was going up to Canada, I told her that I had a Choice either California, or Canada, and she can see what I chose. She said that she had visited California once and the people down there where just nuts, and didn't know how to drive..lol I agreed with her, and told her that if I was going to go to a different country it might as well be one that I wanted to go to, and not one that is considerd part of my country... Besides if that big earthquake happens and California falls into the ocean, well my heart won't break...
 
I have some pretty detailed information that I will not disclose publicly. There is no anonymity on the Internet, unless you are very good at what you do. Most folks that good put their skills to use making money and don't bother trolling the Internet looking for a fight.
 
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