Single Action Army Whackjob

[DR505]

I trying to find the exact works to quote them. but he does mention that few if any men can shoot a double action revolver arrcurtly... I sure as Hell did, at 25 yards...

I am guessing the author has never heard of Ed McGivern, Elmer Keith, or Jerry Miculek, nor read any of their writings.

 

[Pat Riot]

I read that article and then went back to read it again just to be sure.

Yep, the author is full of it.

The article kind of reminds me of those Old-Timey articles where the "writer" comes off as seemingly knowledgeable because he writes with bluster and self-assuredness. I just love that "Secret Gunfighter Grip" section he wrote. (sarcasm)

 

[whm1974]

I read that article and then went back to read it again just to be sure.

Yep, the author is full of it.

The article kind of reminds me of those Old-Timey articles where the "writer" comes off as seemingly knowledgeable because he writes with bluster and self-assuredness. I just love that "Secret Gunfighter Grip" section he wrote. (sarcasm)

If I was going to CCW, I am likely to use a modern Semi Auto anyway with at least a ten round mag which is still more then what revolvers have. It is also double the count of what he claims to use.

 

[Buckeye63]

My dads uncle carried a Colt single action in 44-40
He passed when I was 8 or 9 .. but I remember him and his pistol ... He let me shoot his bolt action rifle in 22 Hornet .. which he used to dispatch vermin (including whitetail ) ... My dad said when Uncle Oscar was younger he would shoot horse shoe stakes in a friendly game of horseshoes .. “just to rattle the sons of britches “ (PG version)
He was 96 when he died...
I’d say he could handle himself with a single action..
I rather have my Glock ..
but Im not my Great Uncle Oscar

 

[PapaG]

I guess I have to add in my two cents and agree with those who call BS and elevate it to PHD (piled higher and deeper) level. He did nothing to establish his bona fides, and bluster turns me off. I know what single actions are capable of and it is way beyond what many will believe but for speed and accuracy if I have to use a revolver it will be a SP101, or 19. I, personally, like the 1911 platform but at 75 it is what I grew up with. Normal carry guns include a CW9, EC9S, and a Kimberley Micro. No hi caps, yet.
The article was, I thought, a humor attempt but morphed into a big irritating waste of time. It did, however, give me a chance to vent on something besides government.

 

[Tallball]

I haven't ever carried a SA revolver. All of mine are too large anyway. But if I had a smaller one and was going to open carry for some reason, I don't see why not. I've been shooting them since I was a teenager and shoot them better than any other kind of handgun.

 

[BobWright]

Would you do me the honor of regaling me/us (mainly me) with your draw/fire technique ? I am interested in packing a Vaquero for everyday... social work....

This is my carry set-up:



And, a close up of holster and extra cartridges:



When in a draw-and-shoot situation, I brush back my coat/vest with my right elbow and grasp the gun butt with my shooting hand, thumb naturally falling on the hammer. ( And not "hooking it.") And, yeah, my trigger finger does contact the trigger as I draw. I lift the gun free of the holster and sort of "dip" it down and forward, at the same time earing back the trigger as I raise my gun As the gun comes level press the trigger. Forearm should be just above waist level, muzzle at heart level of adversary.

As the gun is pulled back down from recoil, the thumb automatically cocks the hammer for the next shot, if needed. The second shot is usually made with the gun hand extended.

Note my holsters have no thongs or straps. When such a need arises, that is no time to be un-looping thongs or unsnapping snaps.

Never start your draw with the idea of "covering" or intimidating an individual. Your gun is your "ace in the hole" and surprise should be your weapon as well.

And, here I am posed with a good friend of mine, the .45 under my right hand:



At church. I believe the gun is a .44 in this instance:



Bob Wright

 

[PapaG]

Just got done with a little research. Can find nothing on Jim Dickson and the magazine is a relatively new online journal I had not discovered. Scanned a few articles and will leave it in the not worth my time category. I go all the way back to about 1950 in my reading gun books, articles, and magazines, was a member of the old American Reloading Assn which Dan Cotterman headed up and published he newsletter on mimeographed copies mailed snail mail fashion. Magazines, I'd blow more money on them than mom would ever know. Corresponded with writers, knew Steindler, Nonte, and several of the other Shooting Times staff personally. All would beat the pants off many of the current crop of newbies for knowledge, literary talent and practical application.
This really got me going. Thanks for a little covid separation excitement.

 

[Old Stumpy]

I am sure that his remuneration equals his knowledge.

 

[Blkhrt13]

I'm thinking id go for a charter arms bull dog in 44 special with a three inch barrel first. a big single just seems poor for one handed operation.

 

[BobWright]

I'm thinking id go for a charter arms bull dog in 44 special with a three inch barrel first. a big single just seems poor for one handed operation.

I will respectfully disagree.

Bob Wright

 

[Mr. Mosin]

This is my carry set-up:

View attachment 915928

And, a close up of holster and extra cartridges:

View attachment 915929

When in a draw-and-shoot situation, I brush back my coat/vest with my right elbow and grasp the gun butt with my shooting hand, thumb naturally falling on the hammer. ( And not "hooking it.") And, yeah, my trigger finger does contact the trigger as I draw. I lift the gun free of the holster and sort of "dip" it down and forward, at the same time earing back the trigger as I raise my gun As the gun comes level press the trigger. Forearm should be just above waist level, muzzle at heart level of adversary.

As the gun is pulled back down from recoil, the thumb automatically cocks the hammer for the next shot, if needed. The second shot is usually made with the gun hand extended.

Note my holsters have no thongs or straps. When such a need arises, that is no time to be un-looping thongs or unsnapping snaps.

Never start your draw with the idea of "covering" or intimidating an individual. Your gun is your "ace in the hole" and surprise should be your weapon as well.

And, here I am posed with a good friend of mine, the .45 under my right hand:

View attachment 915935

At church. I believe the gun is a .44 in this instance:

View attachment 915934

Bob Wright

Thank you good sir.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

I'm thinking id go for a charter arms bull dog in 44 special with a three inch barrel first. a big single just seems poor for one handed operation.

If *I* can operate a SAA one handed, anyone on Earth (short of a hands-less individual) can operate a SAA one handed. Blasted woman hands. @BobWright question on those holsters with the inside think break. Those that your thumb naturally breaks as you grasp the firearm. Would you make exception to that style, or just stick w/ a "Slim Jim" style rig ?

 

[Mr. Mosin]

@BobWright similar to this

 

[BobWright]

I had a post prior to the appearance of the photo.

I wouldn't have that holster on two points: The thumb break snap, and the trigger guard is totally enclosed.
As to thumb breaks, the thumb has one main function, to find and cock that hammer. Unsnapping that strap places you thumb either to one side of the hammer or the other, depending on the location of the snap. When you grasp the butt of the Single Action, your thumb should naturally fall on the hammer spur.

I prefer the trigger guard exposed, with no leather intervening between my trigger finger and the trigger.

These are holsters I've used:



Bob Wright

 

[Mr. Mosin]

I had a post prior to the appearance of the photo.

I wouldn't have that holster on two points: The thumb break snap, and the trigger guard is totally enclosed.
As to thumb breaks, the thumb has one main function, to find and cock that hammer. Unsnapping that strap places you thumb either to one side of the hammer or the other, depending on the location of the snap. When you grasp the butt of the Single Action, your thumb should naturally fall on the hammer spur.

I prefer the trigger guard exposed, with no leather intervening between my trigger finger and the trigger.

These are holsters I've used:

View attachment 915981

Bob Wright

Oh.... ok. I get it now. Everything is about speeding up your draw and target acquisition ?

 

[BobWright]

One other comment. In rough country or on horseback or when a fall might happen, then a retaining strap is desired, this for outdoor purposes. This is my choice then:





From many years ago:



Bob Wright

 

[Pat Riot]

I will not look down my nose at anyone that carries a SA for defense or for general carry. But, also, I am definitely not one of those that thinks a SA is the only gun to carry.

When I trek around in the woods I carry a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt or a Winchester 94 carbine...or both.
When in more “civilized areas” (definitely sarcasm) I carry my Glocks or my J frames on my person and more substantial arms in my truck.

If I were a newbie to guns and shooting, articles like that would tend to sour me on single actions or whatever gun the article is written for. If one cannot put out legitimate information in a blog or magazine, one not only gives gun people a black eye because it makes us all look shady they also taint the attitudes and the trust level that people have for manufacturers, vendors, gun dealers, etc.

I couldn’t find a way to comment on that article to tell the guy what I think.

 

[BobWright]

Let me state this here and now: I'm not trying to persuade anyone to carry a Single Action revolver. I'm defending my choice based on my practice and experience. If you are comfortable with a Colt Government Model .45, or some other offshoot (Ha! Good word!) or a J-Frame Smith, Colt Python, Raven .25, or Glock or Sig, be familiar with it, carry it the best way that you can get it into action the fastest and most impressive first shot, then by all means go with that.

But consider me none the less armed and prepared for my choice.


Bob Wright

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Let me state this here and now: I'm not trying to persuade anyone to carry a Single Action revolver. I'm defending my choice based on my practice and experience. If you are comfortable with a Colt Government Model .45, or some other offshoot (Ha! Good word!) or a J-Frame Smith, Colt Python, Raven .25, or Glock or Sig, be familiar with it, carry it the best way that you can get it into action the fastest and most impressive first shot, then by all means go with that.

But consider me none the less armed and prepared for my choice.


Bob Wright

I think... (for me, and my comfort) I would train around the thumb break. But that's just my thoughts on it. I appreciate your advice and your input. I would equate it to the safety on a 1911 Gov't... enough practice, and it becomes a... non-factor.

 

[.38 Special]

This is my carry set-up:

View attachment 915928

And, a close up of holster and extra cartridges:

View attachment 915929

When in a draw-and-shoot situation, I brush back my coat/vest with my right elbow and grasp the gun butt with my shooting hand, thumb naturally falling on the hammer. ( And not "hooking it.") And, yeah, my trigger finger does contact the trigger as I draw. I lift the gun free of the holster and sort of "dip" it down and forward, at the same time earing back the trigger as I raise my gun As the gun comes level press the trigger. Forearm should be just above waist level, muzzle at heart level of adversary.

As the gun is pulled back down from recoil, the thumb automatically cocks the hammer for the next shot, if needed. The second shot is usually made with the gun hand extended.

Note my holsters have no thongs or straps. When such a need arises, that is no time to be un-looping thongs or unsnapping snaps.

Never start your draw with the idea of "covering" or intimidating an individual. Your gun is your "ace in the hole" and surprise should be your weapon as well.

And, here I am posed with a good friend of mine, the .45 under my right hand:

View attachment 915935

At church. I believe the gun is a .44 in this instance:

View attachment 915934

Bob Wright

I would not want to come up against this gentleman regardless of what I had in my holster.

 

[Riomouse911]

I suspect that is a typo. Besides spelling Paterson incorrectly, I suspect what he meant to write was "the most imitated pistol in the wold today", which is probably true.

I'll also go with Bob and say another single action Colt as the most imitated...also in .45...but it's the 1911 .

I love my .45 Colt's though, wonderful round and fun guns for sure.

Concealed carry? Not unless it was all I had.

Stay safe.

 

[bdickens]

The gentleman's logic is flawed. He cites John Wesley Hardin as an example of why one should carry an SAA. Well, there was one man not even Hardin wanted to tangle with and that was James Butler Hickock. Hickock carried a pair of 1851 Navies. The conclusion one should draw seems obvious....

 

[Pat Riot]

I wonder if this article is one of those articles generated by one of those Asian / Russian companies that Create all these types of articles in other areas, like; cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc.

The articles seem legit but something is a little off and grandiose or sensationalized in some spots...as if the writer has no idea what they are talking about and they sound like they are making things up or pulling in the wrong information to justify their article. Like inexperienced high school kids trying to impress someone.

I encounter sites / articles like this all the time when researching motorcycles and trucks.

 

[bikerdoc]

My head hurts from reading that.

@BobWright thanks for the pics and the insight into SAA carry