Single round of 45 ACP ammo has been bid up to $1,325.

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For an instant, I thought that perhaps he gave the impression that ammo was a rare commodity.. yeah, we all know that there is an ammo crunch, but I was thinking that this could cause someone to think it was very rare... but... If you are bidding on something it is the bidders responsibility to know the truth.

Saxon... I truley hope that a fool and his money will soon be parted and that you will have a lot more then you have today...

I will also warn you that the next time I have to do fund raising for one of my kids events I will send you an email if you win this auction!!

Leroy
 
Plus, so many people are forgetting that any bidders entering a bid are entering into a legally binding contractual obligation and agreement, whether or not they thought it would be funny.

Granted, the original item for sale was placed in jest, but that doesn't mean that you can bid on it and not intend to pay. That's a violation of a contractual agreement.

Using some poeple's logic here, I can stop paying my mortgage because I thought the bank was kidding when they printed up all that paperwork for me to sign. I know I was joking when I told them I'd pay. I shouldn't have to pay.
 
SaxonPig,

I really hope you are in contact with GB about your 'hoax'. You said that this started out to be a joke, but after the first bid you got serious!!!

I hope GB doesn't get serious about your auction and decide to charge your credit card with the 1.25% sellers fee. It is their right to do so legally and if they do, right now you would owe them $16,824,264.49:what:!!!

Not sure if your ready for that one, but hope you have plenty of KY cream!!!:evil:


Some here think that the only people that are obligated are the bidders...........not so. SaxonPig is also legally obligated to giving GB their sellers fee which I mentioned above. This is BEFORE any money exchanges hands on SP and the winning bidder!!!!!! That is what I call a legally binding contractual obligation!!!
 
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I would hope that Saxon Pig withdraws this auction before it closes.

He has committed fraud, and potentially theft through contractual misrepresentation... now a big credit card charge too boot. At best, a ban from Gunbroker would seem appropriate, and at worst, a felony conviction.

If the auction has not already ended, can't it be stopped early and cancelled?
That would seem to be in the best interest of everyone.

I never meant for anyone to actually buy it at that price but GB will want the selling fee.
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I think that statement alone would cause you to lose any court case that may come of this joke.
 
I really don't get the anti-SaxonPig posters. Nothing he did was fraud - there was no misrepresentation. The actual goods for auction were very clearly stated and the references to models etc was no more than the fluff you see in TV adverts every day that no-one seriously believes if they have more than two brain cells to squeeze together.

To all intents and purposes it is a perfectly valid auction. Yes, it is contractually binding but somehow I think the bidders are going to skip town or play the I voted for Obama card. Interestingly though - if they play the Obama card it means they made a bid in the full knowledge that they intended to renage which would also place them in further stook. I wouldn't worry about GB taking X % off SaxonPig's card. They can't go over his agreed limit with the credit card company regardless of how much the fee will eventually be. And as the bidder is likely to default he'll not be obliged to pay / will have it refunded in the end.

Some people need to lighten up.
 
I have not committed any fraud. I accurately described the item and I fully intended to deliver it should someone buy it. I have done absolutely NOTHING illegal or against the auction site rules.

As for expecting payment, when it was at $1,500 I thought maybe some eccentric guy with money might actually buy it for the notoriety, but after it went higher that obviously wasn't the case. It's people who think it's funny to jack the bids. THEIR actions are fraudelent and in violation of Gun Broker rules, not mine.

I CAN'T CANCEL THE AUCTION WITHOUT PAYING THE FEES. YOU CAN'T CANCEL AN AUCTION ONCE A BID IS PLACED. THIS IS WHAT SOME OF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S THE BIDDERS WHO SCREWED THIS UP, NOT ME.

I have emailed GB asking they take action. I suspect they will yank the auction. They should suspend all the bidders for violating the rules. I did not violate any rules.

I will relist the item with a one cent starting price.
 
But I listed a single round of 45 ACP ammo on Gun Broker with a starting price of $1,250 as a joke and commentary on the current madness with ammo prices and it has now drawn three bids. Current price is $1,325.

I never meant for anyone to actually buy it at that price but GB will want the selling fee.
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That my friend is fraud!!!

I quote..........."But I listed a single round of 45 ACP ammo on Gun Broker with a starting price of $1,250 as a joke" "I never meant for anyone to actually buy it at that price"

Therein lies the fraud portion!!!;) Especially since all GB has to do is subpoena this site for all posts by SP. Courts have a ruling about the use of email and this forum is 'public' purview!!
 
I just looked at the auction and as I watched bids were removed one by one down to the starting price. The auction is still there but the bids... and maybe the bidders... are gone.

By the way, this auction is in newspapers and Web sites all over the place. GB should pay me for all the advertising they are getting.
 
No it would be fraud if he hadn't intended to ship it. He just didn't expect anyone to buy it. The last time I checked pessimism isn't fraud.
 
I did nothing that violated GB rules. I started a legitimate auction with a very high starting price. So high I assumed nobody would bid.
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Agreed.

I assume I will not be getting a check for 134 million dollars...
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I'm pretty sure that is a safe bet.
 
"I quote..........."But I listed a single round of 45 ACP ammo on Gun Broker with a starting price of $1,250 as a joke" "I never meant for anyone to actually buy it at that price"

That isn't fraud - because SaxonPig would have honoured his end of the bargain if someone did pay. Fraud would have been if he didn't actually have that round to sell. Furthermore one could just as easily substitute 'intend' with 'expect'. There's no fraud in putting up outrageous prices that you don't expect anyone in their right mind to pay but then find someone WILL actually contemplate doing so.
 
I never meant for anyone to actually buy it at that price
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I have not committed any fraud.
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That is not wrong?? You stated you placed an auction out there you never intended to have any one bid on.

I would think that any one wasting band width and resources of Gunbroker for a joke is not entirely clean in this muck.

Please don't try to get out of some of the blame here, you tried to be funny and it was/still is.

This is not a personal attack, I have enjoyed reading about how so many people are taking getting the money seriously. I have some concerns with the way you have handled the joke since it started to evolve over the past evening.


edit: Cohibra45 and a lot of us posting at the same time, lol.
 
Well, I for one am glad that SaxonPig is apparently not facing any penalties for this.

He represented the product accurately. If people were bidding without the intent to pay, then that was their fault. If anyone was committing fraud, it was the bidders.
 
That fraud stuff would not hold up. It's like a Sham-WOW commercial...in the end it's just a towel. If the buyer was as creative as SaxonPig's description than he could easily get the fly honies coming his way. Although I think it would work for a girl to attrach guys as well. How is it any different than the Llama saying they produce(d) quality friearms?

For the anti-SaxonPig people this is a free market. If one is willing to pay money for something and can reach an agreed-upon price with the seller, then the item is sold. SaxonPig felt that he could not let the round go for less than $1,250. I find that a bit steep, but hey that's why I didn't bid. I have a Yugo SKS for sale for $325. I don't expect anyone to buy it, but I'll sell it for that.

By the way this is still REALLY funny!
 
Oh and I still don't believe you have that primer.
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His picture clearly showed a pristine primer in place.

I think he just realized he could make more money parting that round out, than he was going to get selling the complete round. That primer alone gotta be worth half a billion.
 
Saxon,

Let us know when you put "The Bullet" back up. You should get some good bids if you advertise it as "...once valued at over 100 million dollars!". :)
 
I still think that round of Black Talon I have is worth more, especially since I saw what a plain ole FMJ can go for. :D
 
Those accusing me of fraud do not know the meaning of the word. I didn't lie or mislead or promise anything I didn't plan to deliver. I listed an auction with a starting price higher than I thought the item was actually worth. Hell, half the auctions on gun Broker fit that description.

I did nothing wrong. If you don't like what I did that's too bad. I did nothing illegal or in violation of GB rules. They canceled the auction due to the actions of the bidders and advised me to relist it. THEY ADVISED ME TO RELIST IT.

I did.

128429217
 
Good for you. Man, the last thing I'd get bent out of shape about is generic people thinking your committing fraud.

Gimme a break, honestly.
 
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