Tomac
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Additional comparisons, counter-clockwise from upper right:
SIG P250 Compact 9mm, SIG P250 Subcompact .380, Kahr P380 .380, Kahr CM9 9mm:
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SIG P250 Compact 9mm, SIG P250 Subcompact .380, Kahr P380 .380, Kahr CM9 9mm:
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Size comparison of some compact pistols.
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bearfoot
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I'm really interested in the Pico as an ankle/pocket BUG.
So what's next for Beretta, a polymer .22 magnum autoloader called the Femto?
So what's next for Beretta, a polymer .22 magnum autoloader called the Femto?
I personally won't go any smaller than the Kahr line of pistols, that size is the smallest I would carry at this stage. I had the seacamp, for 15 years and honestly it was too small to get to, unless you were standing and it was in a OWB holster. I almost never carried it, unless it was a dressy affair, and nothing else worked with a suit.
Once you drop that size gun in your pocket, it takes more time to find that darn thing and get it out, plus the controls become difficult to manage under pressure. I think that a carry gun should be easy to get into service, quickly as your life depends on it.
Even the old Jetfires and Baby Browing's are difficult to get a hand on sometimes because they are just too small, "forget weather you like or don't like the caliber", the size becomes a problem when you are in a tough situation and need that gun right now. my Pm9 is right at the edge of where I am willing to go to sacrifice size for concealment.
If you pocket carry , like in a Remora, type holster you understand that drawing the gun, takes practice, to clear the pocket without getting hung up on the way out. Even an IWB can be tricky with some small guns, depending on one's weight and clothing.
If you have a gun that only takes a 2 finger grip, it is harder to grab it under pressure without an extension on it. Just another thing to consider.
Once you drop that size gun in your pocket, it takes more time to find that darn thing and get it out, plus the controls become difficult to manage under pressure. I think that a carry gun should be easy to get into service, quickly as your life depends on it.
Even the old Jetfires and Baby Browing's are difficult to get a hand on sometimes because they are just too small, "forget weather you like or don't like the caliber", the size becomes a problem when you are in a tough situation and need that gun right now. my Pm9 is right at the edge of where I am willing to go to sacrifice size for concealment.
If you pocket carry , like in a Remora, type holster you understand that drawing the gun, takes practice, to clear the pocket without getting hung up on the way out. Even an IWB can be tricky with some small guns, depending on one's weight and clothing.
If you have a gun that only takes a 2 finger grip, it is harder to grab it under pressure without an extension on it. Just another thing to consider.
hardluk1
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My wifes small pistols.-
My kahrs for carry.-
And the revolver I carried for 20 years , now retired 6 years -
My kahrs for carry.-
And the revolver I carried for 20 years , now retired 6 years -
Godsgunman
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The CZ Rami is a sweet gun and I've been kicking myself ever since I sold it even though I sold it for more than I got it for 
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.Would you consider the CZ Rami sub-compact or a big hunk of gun? CZ list it as a sub-compact and it is basically the same size as the PX4
PX4 Sub-compact
Length 6.2"
Height 4.8"
Width 1.2"
Weight 26.1 oz
CZ Rami
Length 6.5"
Height 4.7"
Width 1.25'
Weight 25.44 oz
TeddJed, I don't know about M2, but I sure would. Both guns are very thick and chunky. The relatively short length and height may help you drop them into a coat pocket, but they're as thick as a full-size duty pistol, which matters for belt carry for most people.
RBid
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The safety levers and mag floor plate on the PX4 make it obnoxiously pokey. It definitely carries big, where some other pistols carry easier than their numbers would indicate (M&P 9c, P-07, etc). I own a PX4, but I would never carry or own a PX4 SC.
M2 Carbine, inasmuch as you have a wide selection of compact/sub-compact pistols and have put in considerable range time with each, it would be helpful if you would give us a range comparison and evaluation of the lot. If you could have only one, which would it be and why?
I think you're limited to getting a high grip on the CZ RAMI and Beretta NANO.
If you just look at where you can grip the Shield and the Bersa, I think it's a significant difference.
I decided to go with the Rohrbaugh R9.
I would add that not only does it require a lot of range time, but if you don't have a strong grip, and decent forearm strength. it will be a difficult gun to get back on target after a shot (compared to larger sub compacts).
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If you just look at where you can grip the Shield and the Bersa, I think it's a significant difference.
I decided to go with the Rohrbaugh R9.
I would add that not only does it require a lot of range time, but if you don't have a strong grip, and decent forearm strength. it will be a difficult gun to get back on target after a shot (compared to larger sub compacts).
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