sks used CMP competitions

[law27]

Hi all,
Does anyone use or know of someone that uses an SKS in the CMP competitions. I don't know what the regulations are, but it seems like the SKS with an GI type aperture like the Tech-sight might be able to do fairly well. It would also be a low cost option to get started in competition shooting. If anyone has an idea on how to find out more about this, I would appreciate the info.
Thanks

 

[Sleeping Dog]

There shouldn't be a problem with regulations, but with the sight on it, you'll be competing in the class with AR-based space-guns. I don't think it'll be in the service-rifle class.

Regards

 

[TimRB]

A lot would depend on the range. If it is a match shooting reduced targets at 100 yards, you might do OK. From what I have seen (but never shot, admittedly) an SKS will have a tough time competing at 200 yards and beyond.

Tim

 

[Bwana John]

It would be fun, and should be allowed under National Match, "Service Rifle" rules.
With 5 round stripper clips the rapidfire with reload stages should go very smoothly.
As Tim pointed out you would have the most fun at a 100 yard "reduced" match.

 

[ocabj]

From CMP rule book:

6.2.5 “As-Issued†Foreign Military Rifle
The rifle must be a rifle that was issued by the Armed Forces of a country other than the U. S. and be in “as-issued†condition. All as-issued foreign military rifles must be manually operated bolt-action or straight-pull rifles. Semi-automatic or fully automatic rifles are not permitted.

Lowest cost option has always been the K31. Accurate and cheap. They should still be around $100 or so, but unfortunately, the latest imports have lined out serial numbers with renumbering by the importer (ugh).

 

[dolanp]

All as-issued foreign military rifles must be manually operated bolt-action or straight-pull rifles. Semi-automatic or fully automatic rifles are not permitted.

Easy, get a Yugo and switch off the gas valve.

 

[oldfart]

Any SKS becomes a straight-pull bolt action if you pull the gas piston. Of course it is no longer "as issued" then...

 

[dolanp]

Well with a 59/66 all you have to do is flip a switch, it's part of the grenade-launching mechanism.

 

[AZ Jeff]

CMP rules issues aside, shooting an SKS in service rifle would be a HUGE handicap compared to ANY American service rifle, with perhaps the exception of the M1 carbine.

The sights on an SKS are really poor. Add to this the long creepy trigger. Then pile on the fact that most 7.62x39 Combloc ammo is, unto itself, a 3MOA proposition, and you have the makings for attempting to shoot service rifle with a shotgun. (Well, not quite, but you get the idea.)

I guess some guys like a little added challenge..........

 

[timyarb]

Bought an SKS for this reason

Well I bought myself a Yugo SKS just for this reason. But with such a "HUGE" dis-advantage maybe I should not bother and we should let another shooter go to the wayside instead of getting out there and shooting for the fun of it.

Look this is not a blast at anyone in particular or a flame but seriously there is a ton of this going around. I am so tired of the This is not accurate and that is not good enough crap that goes on all over the place on these boards. Personally I think it may be a really really good idea to try and get as many shooters as possible to do exactly this. A low cost compromise this way they are out there shooting and having fun and then maybe some day they can actually find the reason or cash to purchase that super accurate rifle to compete with.

The fact is that most people would not expect a 40 year old $150 rifle will shoot as well as someones $900 AR. But they (and I inparticular) feel that this is a serviceable alternative until they can get that other nicer rifle.

Sorry if this steps on any toes out there but I think that in instances like this maybe people could do a bit more encouraging and a bit less detracting for the good of a sport that we are all fighting to see survive


Tim

 

[Quintin Likely]

Hell, bring it out, shoot it, have fun. You won't be competitive against service rifles or space guns, but if anything, you'll have a blast and you'll learn more about yourself and your rifle in an afternoon than you could imagine.

Your SKS would fall under 3.1.4 (in the NRA book, I know, but close 'nuff to the CMP's book) as a "foreign service rifle," meaning that it'd be classified as a match rifle, but who cares. If you didn't maim, kill, or otherwise hurt yourself or any other competitors, you had fun and you learned something, it doesn't matter whether you're shooting a $100 SKS or a $3000 Tubb 2000, you've won. You're only shooting against yourself anyways. And if you get hooked into it, more specialized rifles will come to you as time and budget allows.

 

[Destructo6]

Just shoot it.

Worst thing that happens is you don't win. Take the nastiest Wolf ammo you can find and see if you can embarass some folks.

 

[armoredman]

Exactly - win, or place high, and make some high dollar shooters squirm....

 

[natedog]

AZ Jeff is just telling it like it is. The SKS is a good rifle (for what it is), and it's always good to practice with what you've got.

 

[jefnvk]

Look this is not a blast at anyone in particular or a flame but seriously there is a ton of this going around. I am so tired of the This is not accurate and that is not good enough crap that goes on all over the place on these boards.

I think what is going on is that people are saying it isn't the best choice for match shooting. The SKS is a great gun. But a match gun it is not. Can you do better than others? Yeah. Can you win? Maybe. Are you at a disadvantage, even to someone with a $100 K31? Yep.

It's a great gun for its purpose, but match shooting wasn't high on the Russkies minds when they invented her.

 

[Dienekes]

Use it within the regs (I am not sure of the exact requirements; others seem to be) and have some fun. I shoot M1 and M1A in the occasional competition, and also own a decent Yugo. The SKS is not anywhere in the same league for range, power, or accuracy; but a really good shot with an SKS might just embarass a poor shot with an M1. It no doubt happened in real life a few times.

For me the SKS is a 200 yard rifle on a good day. I am thinking of putting on an Aim-Tech rear sight but that is mostly a convenience. Even so it is a serviceable and competent weapon at a good price. I use mine regularly to maintain some proficiency with it as it is my truck gun.

You might want to give some thought to easing into an M1 as the initial entry fee is reasonable and you can educate yourself and upgrade at your own speed. It's lot of fun and that's excuse enough.

Lots of info on it at www.jouster.com and www.odcmp.com

 

[ocabj]

Well, the whole point behind my first post was that I was under the assumption that SKSs weren't legal for CMP foreign military rifle matches.

From that you guys are stating, the SKS is CMP match legal. If so, for which match type?

 

[Quintin Likely]

3.1.4 Foreign Service Rifle - Any centerfire, self-loading rifle, as issued for general service by the armed forces of any other nation (except rifles described in NRA rules 3.1, 3.1.1, 3.1.2, and 3.1.3)... Such rifles will be fired in the NRA Match Rifle Division.

It'd be considered a match rifle.

But back to the original topic, bring it out, shoot it. Won't know how it'll do 'till you try.

 

[30Cal]

Unless you're in one of the oddball or special retro-matches (John C Garand, Springfield match, As-Issued M16, etc), you have two categories: Service Rifle and Match Rifle. The SKS could be shot in the Match Rifle category.

As a rule of thumb, if it has iron sights and isn't a Service Rifle (M1, M14, AR15), then it's a Match Rifle.

Ty

 

[VG]

Well I bought myself a Yugo SKS just for this reason. But with such a "HUGE" dis-advantage maybe I should not bother and we should let another shooter go to the wayside instead of getting out there and shooting for the fun of it.

Baloney.

CMP affiliated clubs get rifles specifiically so that shooters who own NO firearms can compete. CMP stands for Civilian Marksmanship Program, after all.

I belong to two clubs and they both have bot hAR15's and M1 Garands available to anyone who shows up for a CMP match. The price you pay is exactly the same as if you bring your own rifle but buy ammo from the club. For example, Braintree Rifle & Pistol has a CMP the third Saturday of the month from April to November. Charge is $15 if the club supplies ammnition - whether you have your own rifle or not. You can't buy 40 rounds of 30.06 for $15, and that's not a bad price for four targets and 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo, either. If you don't have your own rifle you can choose to shoot a club CMP-supplied Ar15, or an M1 Garand. No one has ever been turned away.

You can accept the advice people gve you, or not. I learned, to my chagrin, that M1 Garands are not competitive with a good AR15 - period. I choose to shoot them, but it's because I have more fun and I'm competing against my personal best instead of the spacegun shooters.

The SKS shooters I've seen at the range have struggled to keep their rounds on paper at 100 yards. Most of them give up and shoot at 50 yards. Maybe their potential is better now that there's some good Western made ammo available; or maybe none of them could shoot [kind of far-fetched,]; or maybe those rifles aren't conducive to shooting match grade groups. Take your pick.

Why folks buy centerfire rifles that are expensive to shoot and then complain about the cost of shooting is beyond me when you can buy very good .22 ammo for about 5 cents a round or less. I've done a lot of work on a Mossberg 44 (new stock, Lyman fron sight) and my total cost is still around $150.

 

[Steve Smith]

Good lord, you folks sound like a bunch of hens at a sewing circle with your different hypotheses of the CMP/NRA Highpower rules. A good rule of thumb, don't offer an opinion if you're guessing.

It will compete in the Match Rifle category, and you will have to use 5 round strippers, or load 10s to 5 rounds.

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

Heck I shot a sar-1 ak47 type in a match back in the summer of 2001.
It was at a army base against any open sight rifle non competition rifle.
I was the only one shooting a com block weapon against close to 40 folks.
A sgt friend that I work with took first with some fine shooting. I left before it was over and found out the next day I took 3rd. It was a reduced 100 off hand,200 kneeling and 300 prone yard match with only 5 shots at each yard line. From what they told me the officer in charge at the awards cerimony was not happy that just a few civilians did so well and my ak story had him not very happy.

 

[jobu07]

Heh, I bet it would be fun anyway to try! Go for it I say.