uzimon
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hate to say
ive sleep shot
yeah, uh x2
but that was years ago
those cor-bons surely open up nicely thru sheetrock
ive sleep shot
yeah, uh x2
but that was years ago
those cor-bons surely open up nicely thru sheetrock
Sleepwalking unloading of Glock
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blitzer0101
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marksman13
marksman13 check in with the VA about PTSS.
marksman13 check in with the VA about PTSS.
backbencher
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uzimon,
Uh - wow! What did the police say? One rather hopes you weren't living in apartments @ the time. Thanks for the heads up - a wakeup call to all of us.
As far as electrifying a Glock - magazines loaded, electricity bad - Glock mags are mostly plastic anyway. Slide is metal, but grip plastic - so electrifying not a big help.
I live in an RV, so reaction time to a break in is somewhat short - no matter which window they break, the miscreant is no more than 19 feet away - think we will stick w/ the full magazine next to the gun, slide locked back.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
Uh - wow! What did the police say? One rather hopes you weren't living in apartments @ the time. Thanks for the heads up - a wakeup call to all of us.
As far as electrifying a Glock - magazines loaded, electricity bad - Glock mags are mostly plastic anyway. Slide is metal, but grip plastic - so electrifying not a big help.
I live in an RV, so reaction time to a break in is somewhat short - no matter which window they break, the miscreant is no more than 19 feet away - think we will stick w/ the full magazine next to the gun, slide locked back.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
You probably could, if it was a more or less automatic response for you (which unloading the Glock clearly was). In this situation, the gun needs to at LEAST be across the room in a drawer, and the ammo in a different drawer. Jeff Cooper was right on this.
My husband sleepwalks/talks. When we got our CHL's and talked out the whole "home defense" thing I said I was uncomfortable with him having his pistol on the night stand. What we did was to have MY Kimber on MY nightstand, and HIS job is to head into the closet and get the shotgun. He would have to do several different things, including walking about 30 feet and making several turns, to do this, and it's highly unlikely he'd do it in his sleep.
Get a safe, or unload the gun, but don't put yourself in this position again.
Springmom
marksman13
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blitzer, thanks, but no thanks. I haven't done anything like that in over a year. I think I may have had some issues at first, but time at home with the family helped out a lot. I am a fairly open person and don't mind sharing stories with friends about stuff that happened over there, so I think that helped too.
I think more veterans should wait and try a few weeks at home before running to the government for help with PTSD. I know there are those who truly need help, but many of those guys are milking the system. There were several of our guys that used any excuse possible to recieve dissability, and get medical discharges. I did not wish to be counted among those abusing an already stretched system.
I think more veterans should wait and try a few weeks at home before running to the government for help with PTSD. I know there are those who truly need help, but many of those guys are milking the system. There were several of our guys that used any excuse possible to recieve dissability, and get medical discharges. I did not wish to be counted among those abusing an already stretched system.
esmith
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Many times a night terror (nightmare x10) will trigger a sleep walking episode where people will perform minor tasks that one might do during the day. I myself have cleaned my room and used the restroom during these. However when other people try to wake these sleep walkers it isn't unheard of for that sleep walker to try and attack their loved one or whoever may be waking them. This is because that night terror may have someone attacking that sleeping person. Usually this doesn't happen, but i have heard once that a man killed his wife with a 12 Ga. that was under his bed while asleep. True or not im not sure but it doesn't seem that unlikely.
I have had episodes where i talk gibberish and am twitching while sleep walking all over my house. It scares the hell out of my family and I.
I have had episodes where i talk gibberish and am twitching while sleep walking all over my house. It scares the hell out of my family and I.
I have a friend who's been in 'it' a few times (ex marine scout sniper) who has very vivid dreams of the firefights he's been in. I've seen him chuck a mountain dew like a grenade in his sleep thinking he was in a particular situation. He keeps his guns locked up.
When i was younger, i used to have extended several hour long nightmares where i would be asleep, but eyes open and speaking...i would even answer some questions, but was not always responsive and was dreaming even while speaking. It coincided with a particularly bad recurring dream that just stopped happening when i was around 10. I wouldn't trust myself around unsecured guns if i still had dreams like that.
When i was younger, i used to have extended several hour long nightmares where i would be asleep, but eyes open and speaking...i would even answer some questions, but was not always responsive and was dreaming even while speaking. It coincided with a particularly bad recurring dream that just stopped happening when i was around 10. I wouldn't trust myself around unsecured guns if i still had dreams like that.
Stevie-Ray
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Your wife crapped in the freezer? Wow, that actually lends credence to the phrase "crappy food."My wife suffers from sleep apnea. BELIEVE ME she suffers and so I suffer. Her CPAP is just the ticket, but woe is me if for some reason she doesn't put it on, because she snores like Fred Flintstone. She also suffered from night terrors as a kid.
uzimon
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@backbench- ive never called the cops on myself, and wasn't about to then. hehe
seriously, yep, an apt.
it was a 10mm with hp's
round went thru bedroom wall, into livingroom.
made a nice, 12in "wound channel" along the ceiling opposite the brm, made a nice round indentation on the wall, and landed totally spent on the floor
seriously, yep, an apt.
it was a 10mm with hp's
round went thru bedroom wall, into livingroom.
made a nice, 12in "wound channel" along the ceiling opposite the brm, made a nice round indentation on the wall, and landed totally spent on the floor
backbencher
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Well, the VA phone nurse suggested I either call my primary doctor for a referral to a sleep study or call on the psychiatric folks.
She also wanted to know why I had a loaded gun - was I angry w/ anyone?
bb <---- wonders how the medical community thinks guns are useful w/out bullets....
uzimon: Sounds like you're not getting enough penetration from that 10mm : )
marksman: While some might be milking the system, it doesn't follow you would milk the system by visiting the VA - it never hurts to get checked out - well, maybe bruises your ego a little - but you're tough, right? FYI, I've not seen evidence of overstretch in the VA in the last 3 years.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
She also wanted to know why I had a loaded gun - was I angry w/ anyone?
bb <---- wonders how the medical community thinks guns are useful w/out bullets....
uzimon: Sounds like you're not getting enough penetration from that 10mm : )
marksman: While some might be milking the system, it doesn't follow you would milk the system by visiting the VA - it never hurts to get checked out - well, maybe bruises your ego a little - but you're tough, right? FYI, I've not seen evidence of overstretch in the VA in the last 3 years.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
poor_richard
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You didn't have to tell her about the gun. Just tell them that you were having sleep trouble. The VA's bigotry toward firearms is documented on these forums. Remember the guy that got busted because he emptied his pockets with a mag in them.
backbencher
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richard,
Well, the only sleep trouble I've been having is unloading a gun in my sleep & dropping the firing pin on an empty chamber. I'm not familiar w/ some guy who got busted for carrying a magazine in his pockets - do you have a link?
Perhaps this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=278562&highlight=Veteran's+Administration
Which hardly displays any overzealous bigotry towards firearms more than any other gov't agency.
Well, the only sleep trouble I've been having is unloading a gun in my sleep & dropping the firing pin on an empty chamber. I'm not familiar w/ some guy who got busted for carrying a magazine in his pockets - do you have a link?
Perhaps this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=278562&highlight=Veteran's+Administration
Which hardly displays any overzealous bigotry towards firearms more than any other gov't agency.
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think thats creapy. i sleep walk talk in my sleep AND sleep with my eyes open. on several occasions when on trips with my friends, they have had entire conversations with an unconscious me.
One night I was laying down, dead asleep My friend started to reach over to snag the pillow that my head wasn’t even on. I snaped awake, yelled “ DON’T TAKE MY F---- PILLOW!” snatched it out of his hands and went back to sleep with my eyes open.
Luckily I don’t think iv slept walked in a while, 3 am groggy bathroom breaks that result in me breaking things aside. How ever after reading this story, and knowing my… interesting sleeping habits, I think il lock it up for now on.
One night I was laying down, dead asleep My friend started to reach over to snag the pillow that my head wasn’t even on. I snaped awake, yelled “ DON’T TAKE MY F---- PILLOW!” snatched it out of his hands and went back to sleep with my eyes open.
Luckily I don’t think iv slept walked in a while, 3 am groggy bathroom breaks that result in me breaking things aside. How ever after reading this story, and knowing my… interesting sleeping habits, I think il lock it up for now on.
marksman13
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backbencher, I bet half of my company is milking the system right now. It's not about being tough, it's about knowing yourself and being able to take of yourself. Having a close knit group of friends helps alot, and can do more good for the human psyche than anything the VA can do. I would be willing to bet that nearly half of the PTSD claims being made by returning soldiers are false. A bold statement? Yep, but that is how I feel about it.
Alphazulu6
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WoW! Yeah I think you need to think twice about keeping a loaded firearm next to your bed. Its really a scary situation!
Bob R
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Any of you guys who are sleepwalking taking any sleep aids, such as Ambien. Ambien is probably the worst for sleepwalking, they even have a note on the product about it. It is something thay don't like to talk about, even on the website it is in muted gray color so it doesn't stand out.
http://www.ambiencr.com/default.asp...oCode=AMC302&gclid=CPyCkKfnhI0CFRS6YAodfH7XhQ
Be careful out there.
bob
http://www.ambiencr.com/default.asp...oCode=AMC302&gclid=CPyCkKfnhI0CFRS6YAodfH7XhQ
Be careful out there.
bob
poor_richard
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Yes, that's the thread I was refering to.
Dean407
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backbencher: I have parasomnia/night terrors. I also have hypnopompic hallucinations.
Had them since I was a child. I'm 36 now. Klonopin taken before bed time eliminated them 99%.
It is possible to do routine things while having an episode. However, you really cannot process information very well or at all even though your eye's are open and you seem awake during these episodes.
Ideally, if there is some sort of lock box/safe where you can change the code every night, that should keep you from having an episode and being able to open a combination you have in memory.
Really, anything you do will slow you down should you really need the weapon.
It may have been brought on by stress.
A sleep lab may help, but you need to have an episode while you are there.
Other things that bring on night terrors are:
1) Sleeping in a a strange place
2) Drinking alcohol close to bed time
People have jumped through windows, gotten cut, fallen to the ground and they stay in the dreamlike state.
The worst thing someone can do when they see a person 'sleep walking' or running in my case is TOUCH or HOLD them.
The person is experiencing an extremely high sensation of needing to escape someone or something. If the thing catches them they will die.
When someone touches them, well- it makes it totally real in every way.
During these episodes people are super strong. There is no pain, but there is a huge amount of adrenalin.
When I was 12 my Mom tried to hold/hug me and unlike the years before, I was stronger- so I easily flipped her into a coffee table busting her nose.
ANYWAYS, it can be a serious issue even without a loaded gun.
Maybe keep the magazine someplace that takes conscious effort to get to. Inside a box, inside of another box inside the dresser draw. It's still possible you could get to the magazine, but it makes it more difficult.
Had them since I was a child. I'm 36 now. Klonopin taken before bed time eliminated them 99%.
It is possible to do routine things while having an episode. However, you really cannot process information very well or at all even though your eye's are open and you seem awake during these episodes.
Ideally, if there is some sort of lock box/safe where you can change the code every night, that should keep you from having an episode and being able to open a combination you have in memory.
Really, anything you do will slow you down should you really need the weapon.
It may have been brought on by stress.
A sleep lab may help, but you need to have an episode while you are there.
Other things that bring on night terrors are:
1) Sleeping in a a strange place
2) Drinking alcohol close to bed time
People have jumped through windows, gotten cut, fallen to the ground and they stay in the dreamlike state.
The worst thing someone can do when they see a person 'sleep walking' or running in my case is TOUCH or HOLD them.
The person is experiencing an extremely high sensation of needing to escape someone or something. If the thing catches them they will die.
When someone touches them, well- it makes it totally real in every way.
During these episodes people are super strong. There is no pain, but there is a huge amount of adrenalin.
When I was 12 my Mom tried to hold/hug me and unlike the years before, I was stronger- so I easily flipped her into a coffee table busting her nose.
ANYWAYS, it can be a serious issue even without a loaded gun.
Maybe keep the magazine someplace that takes conscious effort to get to. Inside a box, inside of another box inside the dresser draw. It's still possible you could get to the magazine, but it makes it more difficult.
backbencher
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Folks:
Thanks for all the replies & intelligent discussion. Spoke w/ a night VA nurse this evening, she agreed w/ no continuation of the nightmare, no repeat of the Glock manipulation, no need to come in. As I live in an RV, often parked in very public places, unfortunately I do need rapid access to a ready firearm; my solution is to unload the Glock while awake : ), & store it in the regular place w/ the slide locked back & a full magazine beside. God willing I'll never need it.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
Thanks for all the replies & intelligent discussion. Spoke w/ a night VA nurse this evening, she agreed w/ no continuation of the nightmare, no repeat of the Glock manipulation, no need to come in. As I live in an RV, often parked in very public places, unfortunately I do need rapid access to a ready firearm; my solution is to unload the Glock while awake : ), & store it in the regular place w/ the slide locked back & a full magazine beside. God willing I'll never need it.
Gig 'em,
backbencher
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