Small Pistol Primer Pockets

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I have always used a primer pocket uniformer on my rifle brass. However I have gotten into shooting 40 S&W and was going to check the primer pockets like I normally do. I believe, however, that the depth of pistol and rifle primer pockets are different depths. If so, what brand do most of you use? I have a small rifle primer pocket uniformer.

This all started because I bought some range brass. Many different brands and I was having some random difficulty seating a few of the primers.
 
Small Rifle and Pistol are exactly the same.

Large Rifle are slightly deeper then Large Pistol.

rc
 
I know some people do this but I load a lot of .40 and don't do anything to the primer pockets and I use a lot of range brass. I have noticed some primers fit tighter than others but that is due to the brand of brass. I tend to notice that S&B brass seems to fit the primer tighter,
 
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I bought some range brass. Many different brands and I was having some random difficulty seating a few of the primers.
I have found how easy/difficult to seat a primer depends on few factors:

- Once fired vs reloaded several times
- Unmodified vs modified primer pockets
- Headstamp variation in primer pocket dimensions
- Crimped vs uncrimped primer pockets
- size of primer cup (domestic standard/SAE sizing vs non-domestic Metric sizing)

If you use mixed range brass, you are going to find a mixture of once fired brass with tightest primer pockets and brass reloaded several times with progressively looser primer pockets. And depending on the headstamp, tightness/looseness of how well the primers seat can vary quite a bit.

For me, most domestic and European/Asian headstamp cases with small primer pockets seat domestic brand primers (with standard/SAE sized primer cups) with relative ease, even when hand priming. Exception has been S&B/RWS cases which have tighter primer pockets and take greater effort to seat domestic brand primers like CCI/Winchester to flush or slightly below flush seating depth.

I have found that some non-domestic brand primers like Fiocchi/PMC/Tula have slightly larger diameter primer cups (perhaps due to Metric sized primer cups?) and some with harder cups which make seating require greater effort and difficulty. Seating these primers in tighter once-fired cases will result in flattening the tops of primer cups to seat them flush and in once-fired S&B/RWS cases, it is often a "no go" as the primer cups won't even seat flush with the flattened primer cups (these will result in primers that are higher than flush with anvil feet not touching the bottom of primer pockets and won't ignite, even after repeated strikes as the force from the firing pin/striker won't seat the primer cup deeper).

Of course, there's a silver lining to these larger primers. If the cases you are using have been reloaded enough times to enlarge the primer pockets, these larger sized primers will work well to extend the life of the brass for reloading.
 
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Thanks everyone. I have a few headstamps that seem to fit the explanations already given. I did order the K&M small primer pocket correction tool for $23. This may help some. I usually never uniform my pistol primer pockets. However I have always shot 38 special and 357 mag before also. I really enjoy shooting this Sig 226 in 40 S&W. First semi auto pistol.
 
Doing anything other than decapping/re-priming to primer pockets in .40 brass is a waste of effort, IMO. But I don't shoot for "match" groups either. If I can hit the plates every time I call it good. :)
 
I have a primer pocket informing tool, but in all my years of reloading, i don't think I've used more than a couple of times. As it turned out, I don't ever run into pockets that are in need of any work. But I also don't shoot competitively.

GS
 
Since 40 is not a NATO round, there aren't many crimped primers out there. The exceptions are Federal and Winchester NT (non toxic) headstamps, those are crimped. I don't find very many of those. I see more NT in 45, and I see a lot of NATO 9mm cases in range pickup.

Whenever I do find a crimped pocket, I will ream them with the RCBS bit in my Trim Mate case prep center. This bit works real well for that. I have even used it on some S&B 38spl cases. Even though those are not crimped, they don't have much of a radius on the pocket so they can sometimes be hard to get the primer to line up. Adding just a little radius helps it seat the primer easier.
 
OP"I have a primer pocket informing tool, but in all my years of reloading, i don't think I've used more than a couple of times."

A friend got a bunch of WWII .45 ACP brass. Seems at the time they loaded them with a different depth and sized primer pockets in the brass. I corrected them and opened up the primer pockets to use standard LP primers.
 
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