Smallest and biggest game with AR15

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What is the smallest game you would hunt or have hunted with an AR 15?

What is the smallest game you would hunt or have hunted with an AR 15?

Be specific on which ammo wight your using too.

I have been thinking of hunting with my brothers AR he doesnt use it often and im looking to get some use out of it for him. Can i hunt smaller game like squirles qith a lighter weight head or go as high up as deer with a heavy grain 556.
 
What is the smallest game you would hunt or have hunted with an AR 15?

I've shot squirrel with one- OK I fess up, that was with a blank and a piece of cleaning rod for a projectile. Otherwise, coyotes. 40 grain Nosler Ballistic Silvertip or 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint, both handloads.

If your second question was meant to be "What is the largest game you would hunt or have hunted with an AR-15?" It will be deer this fall, with the same 55 gr. load as for coyotes.
 
With a .22LR conversion kit, small game like rabbits and squirrels is no problem. With a .450 bushmaster upper you could take any large game animal in north america. You just need to make sure the projectile has enough energy at the range you want to take the shot.
 
I wouldn't specifically use it on squirrel or rabbit size game. But I might take one if an AR were what I had in my hands. Realistically the AR and 223/5.56 round are ideal for varmints at 200-300 yards. With bullets designed for big game it is a lot better deer cartridge than a lot give it credit for. I feel better with a bullet weight of 60-75 gr for deer. And particularly one that is a little on the tough side. Most bullets under 60 gr are designed for varmints, and some 60gr +. Range is also a consideration. With most cartridges intended for big game if it is close enough for you to hit it, it has enough power to kill it. I wouldn't take a shot at deer size game beyond 200 yards and would feel better closer.

I wouldn't feel comfortable hunting game larger than deer, but would use in on any deer. Even the bigger ones in some areas. It has been used successfully on just about everything including large bear, moose, etc. But I'd draw the line on deer.

I used mine this year to take a small 4 point buck. I used a 60 gr Hornady V-max bullet. Really a varmint bullet, but it worked. The bullet hit the right front shoulder and broke it. Then continued on to the lungs which turned to jelly. The deer went down and pushed it self with the rear legs for a few seconds before dying.

That bullet worked, but I still didn't feel good about it. I've since been experimenting with 75 gr Hornady Intebonds and some of the solid copper bullets from Barnes. If the 55 gr Barnes bullets shoot well in your gun they will out penetrate any other 223 bullet, even those much heavier, and would probably be the ideal deer bullet. But my rifles seem to shoot the 75 gr bullets much better.
 
I have used these on fox, coyote, turkey, hog, and deer, with 100% success, all 1 shot kills throughout the southeast. hornady.JPG
 
Smallest : Coyotes - 55 grain soft point. I think it was Winchester.

Largest in terms of weight : 300 pound hog. Mostly I used 70 grain TSX or 75 grain Hornady BTHP. I tried a bit of everything on hogs though.

Largest in terms of how high they stood : Whitetail deer - I used Hornady BTHP.
 
5.56 makes a mess out of small game animals like rabbits or squirrels, and it can get you in trouble with deer without perfect shot placement. It's a great medium sized game round for stuff like coyotes or shooting varmints that won't be eaten at distance.

I like nothing bigger than 22 mag or .17 HMR for small game and nothing smaller than 30/30 or 7.62x39 for big game. 5.56 is fine, but I would rather track a buck that's been hit in the shoulder with a 30 cal if I make a mistake.
 
5.56 makes a mess out of small game animals like rabbits or squirrels, and it can get you in trouble with deer without perfect shot placement. It's a great medium sized game round for stuff like coyotes or shooting varmints that won't be eaten at distance.

I like nothing bigger than 22 mag or .17 HMR for small game and nothing smaller than 30/30 or 7.62x39 for big game. 5.56 is fine, but I would rather track a buck that's been hit in the shoulder with a 30 cal if I make a mistake.
I accept nothing less than perfect shot placement on any game animal with any rifle, which is what everyone should be doing- operate within the capabilities of you and your equipment. My last 4 deer were taken with the 223- 3 bang/flops, 1 ran 50 yards and gave out. "Hunters" gut shoot and often lose animals with whatever larger, even magnum calibers because they are outside of their capabilities.
 
I'm going to beat you all... flies!

Okay, I haven't done it yet, but...

I'd go down to a .22 LR for eating squirrels, but a headshot should do it just fine. Mind your shot placement and you will be fine on other stuff too (deer, hogs, etc.) I don't desire to get that close to a moose, so I'll pass on the really big stuff.
 
I have been hunting with AR’s for over 20yrs, pretty much everything smaller than and including hogs and deer. I have become a huge fan of the 60 Partition for hogs and deer, but I have taken dozens on dozens of hogs with the 50grn V-max, from 20 to 250lb.

6.8 SPC and 6.5 Creed have been the best performers on medium/CXP2 class game for me, with the SST being my typical bullet of choice. My next AR barrel for this purpose will be 6mm AR or 243 LBC. I took my buck this year, who the processor said should have been 265-280 in the hoof, with a 6.5 Grendel shooting the 123 ELD-M. Short range, however. The 5.56 does a great job on coyotes and is cheap and barrel friendly for prairie dogs. While it does work, I find life is too short for me to use 5.56 for deer. For fox and bobcat, I really like the .17rem and 204 Ruger, throttled down pretty low with reloads. I took a pair of meat doe several years ago with .450 Bushmaster and a few since with .458soc, and I find the .450, 458, and 50 to be fantastic entrants for short range deer killing, but I personally would level up for anything bigger than mulies.

Horses for course, and variety is the spice of life. I can’t imagine only owning AR’s in only one cartridge.
 
I accept nothing less than perfect shot placement on any game animal with any rifle, which is what everyone should be doing- operate within the capabilities of you and your equipment. My last 4 deer were taken with the 223- 3 bang/flops, 1 ran 50 yards and gave out. "Hunters" gut shoot and often lose animals with whatever larger, even magnum calibers because they are outside of their capabilities.
This is a silly post unless you have magic powers.

Hunters that operate within their capabilities and the equipment they are using miss shots. It's easy to put one into an animal's shoulder even from 50 feet it the thing moves right as you shoot. You do that with a 55 grain bullet, and It's going to be a long morning unless you're quick with a follow up shot.

Give me a break with this "I accept nothing less than perfect shot placement on any game animal with any rifle" nonsense.....smh
 
This is a silly post unless you have magic powers.

Hunters that operate within their capabilities and the equipment they are using miss shots. It's easy to put one into an animal's shoulder even from 50 feet it the thing moves right as you shoot. You do that with a 55 grain bullet, and It's going to be a long morning unless you're quick with a follow up shot.

Give me a break with this "I accept nothing less than perfect shot placement on any game animal with any rifle" nonsense.....smh
No, not really. I don't have magic powers, but I choose to pass on shots that don't have a predictable outcome. It doesn't even make me special- just cautious. This is why I have never lost a deer in over 20 years, and never had to rack one more than 100 yards. Also why I "get by with" hunting with 223, I suppose.I guess stuff happens, but so far I have been successful at mitigating it. Also, I don't hunt with 55 grain bullets.
 
This is a silly post unless you have magic powers.

Hunters that operate within their capabilities and the equipment they are using miss shots. It's easy to put one into an animal's shoulder even from 50 feet it the thing moves right as you shoot. You do that with a 55 grain bullet, and It's going to be a long morning unless you're quick with a follow up shot.

Give me a break with this "I accept nothing less than perfect shot placement on any game animal with any rifle" nonsense.....smh

I was taught the same way as FL-NC; it is called ethical hunting. Have I had to pass up shots on game that I wasn't 100% positive of an ethical kill? Many. And I will continue to do so. Anything less causes lost game, ill will from the non-hunting community when they find it dead later, and poor quality meat if it is eventually harvested.
 
I was taught the same way as FL-NC; it is called ethical hunting. Have I had to pass up shots on game that I wasn't 100% positive of an ethical kill? Many. And I will continue to do so. Anything less causes lost game, ill will from the non-hunting community when they find it dead later, and poor quality meat if it is eventually harvested.
You completely missed the point. Nobody is talking about taking "unethical" shots.

Being that the other variable in this equation is nature, you can't be 100% positive every shot you take is "ethical" because animals move. Once again you can have a buck in your sights standing in the middle of a field less than 100 feet away and have the thing move right as as you shoot. Now you've missed your target by 6 inches and shot a large animal in the shoulder blade with a freaking 22 caliber rifle. Let that sink in for a second, before you start talking about "ethical hunting."

I used to live down south were hunting deer and hogs with an AR or a mini 14 is pretty common. I have seen just how "ethical" 5.56 is without a CNS hit enough times to know that it's not a great big game round regardless of what type of ammo you run in one. Will it work? Yes, absolutely. Does it put a large animal down with a broadside shot the same way a lever 30-30 or even an SKS with decent hunting ammo will. Absolutely not.

If you go deer or hog hunting with an AR you can tell yourself how ethical and responsible of a hunter you are as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you're shooting big game with a varmint round..........AMIRITE?
 
Being that the other variable in this equation is nature, you can't be 100% positive every shot you take is "ethical" because animals move.
With a .223 going 3000+ fps at 100 yards and under, the time between when the hammer starts to move and the bullet arrives where it's going to is measured in milliseconds; a deer is not going to move very far in that time. There are also clues that an animal is going to move before it does. If one sees them before deciding to pull the trigger, one should not fire. And one should learn those clues, either through observation of deer in the wild while not hunting, or Dr. Ken Nordberg's excellent series of books on game animal behavior.
If you are talking 500 yards, then the time is such that your scenario of the animal moving enough to cause a wounded animal is more likely. If you are talking a slow round at long distance, say .45-70 at 500 rounds at a buffalo, yes, they can walk away before it hits, without even knowing they've been shot at. Animals moving before it hits is even more likely with bows. Infinitely more so if one's idea of accuracy is pie plate at 100 yards from a bench, or even 50 yards as I has so often seen at 'sight-in' days.

It all amounts to level of hunter education and ethics. When I was 15, I snap shot at a doe that jumped up right in front of me; my Dad's best friend had to track it for me, (taught me a lot about tracking in that situation) and put it down when we found it. I learned a lot about hunting ethically then, and I never forgot it. He was my role model for an ethical hunter. That guy killed a moose with a .30-30; he did not have to track it.

I have had two deer I've shot take off like drag cars after the bullets hit them, and even with their aortas in shreds still went 50 and 75 yards. Both deer were in a high state of alert , one having just been shot at by someone else, the other chased through a swamp by another hunter who thought he could 'sneak up' on it. But they were both staring right at me when I shot. Neither moved a muscle until hit by the bullet/slug. Making noise to stop a moving deer causes them to stop and it gives you about 2 seconds to fire while they try to discern what you are.

If you go deer or hog hunting with an AR you can tell yourself how ethical and responsible of a hunter you are as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you're shooting big game with a varmint round..........AMIRITE?
True, however, I'm sure FL-NC will attest that well-aimed rounds from an AR-type rifle will put humans down consistently also. I do not have personal experience with that, and I hope I never do. But I do know that there are many bullet weights and designs in .224 diameter that make the AR in .223/5.56 a versatile caliber for game. I choose to use a Varmint type bullet for both varmint and deer (Nosler 55 gr. Ballistic Tip Varmint) because I know that it will kill a deer within the self-imposed parameters I have. Those with looser parameters ("If it's brown, it's down") would be better served with a round that has different terminal ballistics, say .50 BMG.
 
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Are we talking about 223/556 only ARs or AR's chambered in other calibers?

Given the huge variety of cartridges AR-15's have been and are being built in I don't think there is anything on the North American continent you could not hunt with an AR. From dedicated 22LR and 410 uppers for small game to the big bore 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf for big game hunting and everything in between. Seems like you could hunt just about anything with an AR in the right caliber. The only thing you might have trouble with is a heavy gauge shotgun for water fowl and turkey, but that is available on an AR-10 platform.
 
The OP didn't specify, and hasn't checked back in, (drive by?) but from his wording, I believe he meant .223/5.56.
You are correct, mcb, with the array of calibers available in the AR-15 platform, they are very versatile. Even more so when you add in the AR-10.
 
With a .223 going 3000+ fps at 100 yards and under, the time between when the hammer starts to move and the bullet arrives where it's going to is measured in milliseconds; a deer is not going to move very far in that time. There are also clues that an animal is going to move before it does. If one sees them before deciding to pull the trigger, one should not fire. And one should learn those clues, either through observation of deer in the wild while not hunting, or Dr. Ken Nordberg's excellent series of books on game animal behavior.
If you are talking 500 yards, then the time is such that your scenario of the animal moving enough to cause a wounded animal is more likely. If you are talking a slow round at long distance, say .45-70 at 500 rounds at a buffalo, yes, they can walk away before it hits, without even knowing they've been shot at. Animals moving before it hits is even more likely with bows. Infinitely more so if one's idea of accuracy is pie plate at 100 yards from a bench, or even 50 yards as I has so often seen at 'sight-in' days.

It all amounts to level of hunter education and ethics. When I was 15, I snap shot at a doe that jumped up right in front of me; my Dad's best friend had to track it for me, (taught me a lot about tracking in that situation) and put it down when we found it. I learned a lot about hunting ethically then, and I never forgot it. He was my role model for an ethical hunter. That guy killed a moose with a .30-30; he did not have to track it.

I have had two deer I've shot take off like drag cars after the bullets hit them, and even with their aortas in shreds still went 50 and 75 yards. Both deer were in a high state of alert , one having just been shot at by someone else, the other chased through a swamp by another hunter who thought he could 'sneak up' on it. But they were both staring right at me when I shot. Neither moved a muscle until hit by the bullet/slug. Making noise to stop a moving deer causes them to stop and it gives you about 2 seconds to fire while they try to discern what you are.


True, however, I'm sure FL-NC will attest that well-aimed rounds from an AR-type rifle will put humans down consistently also. I do not have personal experience with that, and I hope I never do. But I do know that there are many bullet weights and designs in .224 diameter that make the AR in .223/5.56 a versatile caliber for game. I choose to use a Varmint type bullet for both varmint and deer (Nosler 55 gr. Ballistic Tip Varmint) because I know that it will kill a deer within the self-imposed parameters I have. Those with looser parameters ("If it's brown, it's down") would be better served with a round that has different terminal ballistics, say .50 BMG.
A deer can twitch or move it's body as fast as you can pull a trigger no different than a bad guy can knock you cold before you can pull a trigger. It has nothing to do with the speed of the bullet. It also only takes a few inches of movement to make a bad shot with an under-powered cartridge with no room for error.
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The only thing I’ve ever hunted with a 223 is coyote. I would be comfortable shooting beaver, nutria, Fox and bobcat with it, that’s about all we have aroun here I can think of that it’d be good for. IMO it’s to small for deer, a 243 is my minimum and to be honest thats a little iffy. I definitely wouldn’t go any smaller.

Can a 223 kill deer, absolutely, but with so many better options out there I can’t think of a reason to use it. It’s kind of like using a 275 Rigby for elephant, can it be done? Yeah, I think that’s been established.... but I wouldn’t do it.... like Tim Allen I think more power is a good thing.


This is one reason my AR spends most of its time in the safe, there’s nearly always a better choice for the job at hand, I do understand everyone’s safe doesn’t look like mine and if thats all I had then I would deer hunt with it for one season, then I’d save money up a buy myself a decent deer rifle.
 
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