Smith and Wesson 10XX 10mm owners, what did you do to them?

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I FINALLY got my 1006 after a LOOONG search of years. I couldn't get one online, I only wanted to buy a pistol out of manufacture twenty years face to face. Finding one at a decent price was hard, especially one in great shape. Today I got one for $680, almost like new in the box with the book, cards, everything. Looked like whoever bought it testfired it and it and put it away. Another great Smith find at two gunshows in a row!

What I want to know is that of you out there with these pistols, what did you do, if anything, to the pistol? Sights? Trigger jobs? Springs? I don't know a whole lot about these pistols, their peculiarities, so school me.

I have two Glocks, a G20 and a G29 I load for, so 10mm is nothing new for me, and I've owned a 3rd gen. 9mm Smith in the past, but this tank is new for me and I can tell there is room for improvement on the trigger. Wondering what you all did?

Was thinking about sending it to the Performance Center for trigger work. Anyone do that? Thanks!
 
IIABDFI. (If it ain't broke...:D)

I've shot mine and cleaned it. Good enough. :) Okay: wasn't thrilled with the Delrin grips. Rubber-back Hogues would be best for extensive shooting; if you get wooden grips, no checkering!

Congrats--good price, great pistol!
 
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I shoot my 1076 and wonder why I sold it's twin brother. :banghead:

I've contemplated swapping in a Wolff set of springs, but haven't done it yet.

No trigger work er nothin. Sent it in to get the recall work done and the S&W shop replaced everything they felt needed it. Free.
 
I sent a slide to a well known gunsmith in Ohio who puts the new Leupold red dot on S&W M&P's and Glocks, to have the same done to a 1006. He hemmed and hawed, an acted like it wouldn't be easy, etc, and after a month, I gave up on him, and got my slide back. Still haven't done it, but I think it can be done with not too much fanfare. Some gunsmiths get into a groove, make easy money, then quit being an innovator or craftsman. They just want to bang things out.
 
Replaced the grips with those S&W offered in the early '90s, added a Hogue grip sleeve, bought a few spare parts as I always do and shot it ... shot it a lot. Records show I've put a little less than 10,000 rounds through it. Had I not bought a Glock model 20 circa 1991 I'd have shot it a lot more.

My 1006 is one of my most favored guns, but having a few others I tend to shoot all less than I used to.

The gun is a tank and has fed and fired every style and power level I've ever loaded for it. Why would I want to do anything to a flawlessly functioning machine other than use it for its intended purpose?
 
I put a 22lb Wolff recoil spring in my 1006. Other than that, I have just left it stock. I also have a 1086 and 1066 that I have left stock as well.
 
The dumbest thing I ever did to my 1006 was sell it. Other than that, I only put Hogue grips on it.
 
Loosedhorse said:
IIABDFI. (If it ain't broke...:D)

I've shot mine and cleaned it. Good enough. :) Okay: wasn't thrilled with the Delrin grips. Rubber-back Hogues would be best for extensive shooting; if you get wooden grips, no checkering!

Congrats--good price, great pistol!
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Why no checkering on the wood grips? If I got them, I'd want one of the darker ones WITH checkering. Is there someting I don't know? Can you elaborate? I actually want micarta grips, but I can't find any. Anyone know where to find micarta grips?

I do plan on leaving it basically stock, but I'd like it tuned well. It has a LOT of potential even though it is already great ouf the box. Depending on ejection patterns, I may change the spring, as this pistol will be used to fire heavy loads, but the spring already feels pretty strong. Although the trigger is better for me than the Beretta 92FS, I still would like to remove the pre-travel in SA and smooth and lighten the DA perhaps. If I could get a SA pull similar to their revolvers, that would be ideal, and a nice and smooth, consistent and light DA pull would be nice too. I like a good trigger, and this is why I am considering having them do it. But first I'd like to hear from some of you that have had the Performance Center do trigger work on autos and how you liked the changes.

I'd also like to have a half cock notch cut, and I already have to send a revolver in for a new cylinder and some other work, so sending two together might be cheaper for me. Their prices are reasonable and I like it that Smith's smiths would be doing the work and not just any smith. There are few local smiths I trust anyway.

Then it has Novak sights. They seem pretty nice, but I like adj. target night sights on a pistol like this, so that may come later when I get a new Milt Sparks rig to carry it. When it comes to sights, I almost always select my own sights. I don't think I own any pistols with stock sights except a few J-frames and a 686+, so changing the sights is the norm for me.

Finally some questions about the codes on the box. In addition to model number, material, calibre, barrel lenght, it has a "product code" of 105004 and then "Spec. Ord." number of 0164. I'm assuming this means special order, anyone know what makes it special? The Novak sights look factory, and it doesn't have a magazine safety either.

Thanks, I appreciate the answers, keep 'em coming!
 
Why no checkering on the wood grips?
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Abrasive to my hands when firing. Liked the Hogue rubber the best for shooting, but the Hogue woods are prettier. With the smooth woods, not bad shooting. YMMV.
some of you that have had the Performance Center do trigger work on autos and how you liked the changes.
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Haven't done that. But I did buy a PC 952. Dreamy trigger, maybe better than a SIG 210. Honest. If that's any indication of the work they can do...

I don't know. I guess I don't think of the 1006 as a target gun: more of a great rough and tumble gun. If I were to change the (fixed) sights on mine, it would be to get tritiums, and I would only do that if I was planning to carry the gun.

Again, JMSTB (just me shooting the breeze...:))
I'd also like to have a half cock notch cut
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Why?
I don't think I own any pistols with stock sights except a few J-frames and a 686+
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If you want to up the sights on your J-frame (and have the bucks), I can recommend Hamilton Bowen.

Had S&W put a tritium front in my 686+. Eh.
 
Finally some questions about the codes on the box. In addition to model number, material, calibre, barrel lenght, it has a "product code" of 105004 and then "Spec. Ord." number of 0164. I'm assuming this means special order, anyone know what makes it special? The Novak sights look factory, and it doesn't have a magazine safety either.
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Product Code 105004 is for a 1006 w/o adjustable sights. Product code for 1006 w/ adjustable sights was 104800. Special Ord. number on a 1006 box that I have is 0166. If your 1006 does indeed NOT have a magazine disconnect, it would be the first one I've ever heard of in such a configuration as I have only seen 1076 and 1026 w/o mag disconnect. That MIGHT be what the Spec Ord. 0164 code signifies?
 
A 1006 would be just about the perfect service pistol in my mind. I'm rather fond of the factory standard Xenoy one piece grips though. :)
 
Isn't that funny? The FBI probably had the finest service/police pistol, and they just couldn't get on board. The rumor I heard was that some of the woosier agents could not handle the full 10mm cartridge, so they wattered it down to the "FBI load", and then opted to just go with the 40 S&W after it was developed, since it duplicated the lower powered 10mm. What they SHOULD have done was make mastering the full power 10mm S&W mandatory, or put them on probation or suspension until they qualified. THAT would have gotten the agents "on board".............
 
DesertFox said:
Product Code 105004 is for a 1006 w/o adjustable sights. Product code for 1006 w/ adjustable sights was 104800. Special Ord. number on a 1006 box that I have is 0166. If your 1006 does indeed NOT have a magazine disconnect, it would be the first one I've ever heard of in such a configuration as I have only seen 1076 and 1026 w/o mag disconnect. That MIGHT be what the Spec Ord. 0164 code signifies?
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Wow, thanks. Yeah, they are Novak non-adj. Actual Novaks. You can adjust it horizontally some, it has a set screw, but that is it. They are actually quite nice, but I do plan on carrying it and I prefer to have tritium sights, and with a pistol like this, I'd like targe adj. sights. I know those aren't usually recommended as the best for carry, but with a fine Milt Sparks (probably) rig, I think they'll do just fine. I have more research to do on sights for these yet, I know they used to have shrouded ones on some of these pistols? Or similar ones? Anyone know about those stainless shrouds and what sights work with them?

As for "Spec. Ord. 0164", yeah, it could be the mag release. It definitely works fine without it. It doesn't look Bubba'd or anything, but I haven't completely stripped it yet either. I'm glad it doesn't have the mag safety.
 
Loosedhorse said:
Abrasive to my hands when firing. Liked the Hogue rubber the best for shooting, but the Hogue woods are prettier. With the smooth woods, not bad shooting. YMMV.Haven't done that. But I did buy a PC 952. Dreamy trigger, maybe better than a SIG 210. Honest. If that's any indication of the work they can do...

I don't know. I guess I don't think of the 1006 as a target gun: more of a great rough and tumble gun. If I were to change the (fixed) sights on mine, it would be to get tritiums, and I would only do that if I was planning to carry the gun.

Again, JMSTB (just me shooting the breeze...:))Why?If you want to up the sights on your J-frame (and have the bucks), I can recommend Hamilton Bowen.

Had S&W put a tritium front in my 686+. Eh.
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Thanks for the reply!

I think I would like the non-slip of the checkering, I don't see it being uncomfortable to me. But that is me. I'm also kind of partial to the delrin ones, but may look into wood. I considered the rubber ones, but figured I liked the delrin ones enough that if I change them it would have to be for wood (or micarta, I'd like that). And like Maple City said, it may be the perfect service pistol and those grips work well for that.

I want a few things done if I send it back to them. I want the decocker disabled so that it is a safety only. This way it can be carried single action with safety on, or DA with safety off and at half cock so that the hammer isn't touching the firing pin. Really just safety mods that I would like done to suit my preferred methods of carry for this pistol. I'm sure they do it, I've heard of it done.

Thanks for the trigger info. I'll check around some to find the one that can do what I want. The Performance Center may or may not be the best come to think of it, but they are worth calling. Like I said, I want the trigger to basicaly work more like their revolvers. No pre or over travel on SA, and a smoother DA pull. Either more like their revolvers, or more like a Sig. I'm more interested in the SA pull than DA, but want both worked.

I think the investment will be worth it as I don't plan on selling this revolver. Ever. I've wanted one for a while and I am very pleased with it. If anything, I may get a couple more for long term investments. But now, I feel like a kid on Christmas, actually. Can't wait to get out and shoot it tomorrow!
 
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I can't imagine they'd do that. Otherwise, smooth sailing to you!
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Yeah, I'm questioning whether they'll do that now or not, though I've heard of it being done before. If they don't, I can get it done, and if it is simple enough I can do it myself. I knew they wouldn't disable the locks on the revolvers, so I did that myself and couldn't be happier --can't tell any work was done, and to fix it you just replace the flag. Easy peasy. I hear they will, however, make pistols with no locks on order for departments and agencies. Perhaps the mod to the 10mm I saw, and even the on I have, were part of a special order done this way. I can see the cops (or anybody really) NOT wanting mag safeties, but I have no way of knowing if this was done at the factory or not. It doesn't appear this pistol has ever been worked on, or even fired all that much, and it doesn't look like it was cleaned either. It looks new...

I can't recall where I read or saw a 10mm that had the slide safety done that way but I think it was done by Smith. Same with the mag safety. Sure wish I could remember it. I think getting a half cock notch should be no problem. That adds to safety rather than taking it away. It was one of the things I liked about the M9 when I carried it. I could keep the safety off and it at half cock ready to go.

Either way, the reason I want these changes is so I can carry it like I want. More of a want than a need really, but I don't like playing with levers when I draw. Used to Glocks I guess, nothing wrong with the pistol or shooter, just different habits --and when it comes to shooting, I like to change my gear to suit my habits rather than the other way around!

I'm gonna look up that trigger you mention too.
 
SharpsDressedMan: Isn't that funny? The FBI probably had the finest service/police pistol, and they just couldn't get on board. The rumor I heard was that some of the woosier agents could not handle the full 10mm cartridge, so they wattered it down to the "FBI load", and then opted to just go with the 40 S&W after it was developed, since it duplicated the lower powered 10mm. What they SHOULD have done was make mastering the full power 10mm S&W mandatory, or put them on probation or suspension until they qualified. THAT would have gotten the agents "on board".............
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That never would have happened, back then or today. Most people will whine over the 10mm lite or factory .40 recoil as being too much.

I agree though. Given their occupation, they should be the cream of the crop or at least very close to it. But then there's the whole anti-gender-bias and equal opportunity employment thing, and we can't require too much physical ability or that's "no faaaiirrrrrrrrr".

Back on topic.
Congratulations on the 1006. Did it come with a Hugo Boss wardrobe?
 
There are so many applicants for FBI (and there always HAS been) that even I, if put in charge of recruitment, could have filled the ranks with people adept enough to shoot the 10mm. I'd hire those big, strong farm girls from the Midwest, or female weightlifters and bodybuilders from San Francisco. Or that little Japanese girl that practiced with softair in Japan, and then came to the US, practiced with real guns for two weeks, and took the IDPA Women's title that year. That would have had a lot of minority bases covered. Let's face it, when the crybabies rule the world, as they have come to do, it is because the bureaucrats we have had in place failed to do THEIR jobs. That is what crippled the FBI and many other LE agencies.
 
Evaluations at Quantico? What does that mean, and why did they dump the 10mm, if it WASN'T due to agents shooting poorly with them? I have a 10mm S&W, and am not inclined to shoot poorly with it. My evaluation of the S&W puts it high on the list of SUPERIOR law enforcement weapons. The FBI does not ncessarily do things out of pure science of evaluations; sometimes politics and OPINIONS from personnel enter in.
 
Evaluations at Quantico? What does that mean, and why did they dump the 10mm, if it WASN'T due to agents shooting poorly with them? I have a 10mm S&W, and am not inclined to shoot poorly with it. My evaluation of the S&W puts it high on the list of SUPERIOR law enforcement weapons. The FBI does not ncessarily do things out of pure science of evaluations; sometimes politics and OPINIONS from personnel enter in.
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The FBI never tested full power 10mm. they "dumped" the 1076 partly because of the problems (recall) they had with the gun and the fact that S&W wanted to push it's propriatery round. here's a link to the original text
http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi_10mm_notes.pdf

for the record I agree that the 10XX series are some of the best service guns ever. My 1076 is great the only thing's I've done is to put a new set of wolff springs, new adjustable MMC nightsights and change to the original flat backstrap grips.
here it is with my 610-3
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Evaluations at Quantico? What does that mean, and why did they dump the 10mm, if it WASN'T due to agents shooting poorly with them? I have a 10mm S&W, and am not inclined to shoot poorly with it. My evaluation of the S&W puts it high on the list of SUPERIOR law enforcement weapons. The FBI does not ncessarily do things out of pure science of evaluations; sometimes politics and OPINIONS from personnel enter in.
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The FBI evals were done at the FBI Academy in Quantico VA. The decison to dowload the cartridge was made during these evals. I never stated a reason, but someone decided the Norma load was too powerful.
 
That is at the least, an incomplete "evaluation", and hints at the issue I brought up. If the Norma load was "too powerful", too powerful for what? Whimpy FBI agents that cannot adapt? Just like any other police officer, holding a two pound hunk of steel out and holding it steady isn't that tough. I have fired loads heavier than the Norma in the 10mm, and watched iddy biddy little girls shoot .44 magnums. No one had a bloody hand after shootng either. It is a matter of adjusting one's mind to the task at hand. How many FBI agents would turn in their badge because they just "couldn't" (I can't, I can't!!!) shoot the 10mm and qualify? It could have been that simple. I'm not saying the development of the 40 S&W was a bad thing, only that it was no good reason for the FBI to dump the 10mm. Quote some announcement from the FBI, Quantico, etc, but the REAL reasons don't seem to have been announced, nor does anyone care anymore (except us). I still stand by what I have stated, and still feel the FBI dropped the ball; they had the best weapon, then they shot themselves in the foot (figuratively:)) and compromised for a less effective weapon. I do thank them for getting the 10mm on the table in a stronger way for the rest of us. It just won't die.
 
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