Smith and Wesson Sigma 9mm
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Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Its better than a Taurus.
MacTech
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Well, caliber wars aside, which one fits you better? they should be similar reliability-wise, I had a Sigma as my first 9mm semiauto, but I couldn't get past the long, heavy trigger pull....
It took me a few guns to do it, but I finally found the right 9mm for me, a CZ-75B
I've owned in 9mm;
S&W Sigma 9VE (heavy, gritty trigger, traded in)
Taurus PT-99 (Reliable as all get-out, would feed any 9mm ammo without a hitch, but not as accurate as I wanted, traded in)
Tanfoglio Witness (incredibly accurate, but tempermental, lots of FTF's, traded in)
CZ-75B, great 9mm, still own it and love the thing, incredibly accurate, low, manageable recoil (not snappy), balanced, points naturally, and no topheaviness or balance shift as the mag empties
is this going to be a carry gun, range gun, bedstand gun?, the 75 series works well for all of those, but may be a little heavy to carry concealed, but that weight works in it's favor to truly tame recoil
Glocks and other "Tupperware" pistols are nice and light, but also inherently unbalanced, they're topheavy to start, and as the magazine empties, they become slightly more muzzle-heavy, a good steel framed pistol trades off light weight and ease of carry for mass and balance, they're also easier to get back on target for followup shots due to that additional weight
It took me a few guns to do it, but I finally found the right 9mm for me, a CZ-75B
I've owned in 9mm;
S&W Sigma 9VE (heavy, gritty trigger, traded in)
Taurus PT-99 (Reliable as all get-out, would feed any 9mm ammo without a hitch, but not as accurate as I wanted, traded in)
Tanfoglio Witness (incredibly accurate, but tempermental, lots of FTF's, traded in)
CZ-75B, great 9mm, still own it and love the thing, incredibly accurate, low, manageable recoil (not snappy), balanced, points naturally, and no topheaviness or balance shift as the mag empties
is this going to be a carry gun, range gun, bedstand gun?, the 75 series works well for all of those, but may be a little heavy to carry concealed, but that weight works in it's favor to truly tame recoil
Glocks and other "Tupperware" pistols are nice and light, but also inherently unbalanced, they're topheavy to start, and as the magazine empties, they become slightly more muzzle-heavy, a good steel framed pistol trades off light weight and ease of carry for mass and balance, they're also easier to get back on target for followup shots due to that additional weight
PA Freedom
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IMHO, The trigger seems better in the lastest generation Sigmas. I had one of the all grey ones back in 97 or 98. That had the heaviest, grittiest trigger pull of any handgun I have ever owned. 100 percent reliable, tho.
punkndisorderly
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I've shot a few of them. Most of them when they first came out. One very recently made. I've never liked the triggers on them. To me they feel like they are flexing. Also, very heavy, gritty, nasty. Just a really odd feel to them.
On the flip side, they seem to be very reliable.
On the flip side, they seem to be very reliable.
Bradym77
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Get the Sigma, you won't be disappointed. It will eat any ammo you feed it and if it's a HD or carry gun you won't even notice the trigger pull at all. If it's just for target shooting you can send it to S&W and they will smooth it and lighten it free of charge.
Erich
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Please feel free to read this thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/520103904/m/4561077362/p/1
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/520103904/m/4561077362/p/1
wickedsprint
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Roomie has a Sigma, I will take it over ANY Taurus I have handled or owned. It shoots well, he had the .40 then traded for the 9mm for cheaper ammo. They both had sorta heavy weird triggers but proved reliable and surprisingly accurate. Perfect truck gun.
TurboFC3S
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Yep, spongy gritty and just plain nasty trigger. I'd rather have a Taurus 24/7, which actually have decent triggers and excellent ergonomics. Customer Service is the x-factor, just buy from a reputable dealer if you get a Taurus and they'll usually handle service for you should it be needed. Likely you wouldn't have any problems with either gun however.
solidgoldcaddy
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Sigma is a fairly well made pistol (nice machining, stainless slide, barrel). It's a copy of glock 19 w/ a RIDICULOUS trigger. A very few people used to shooting revolvers say the trigger pull doesn't bother them, but I bet it affects their accuracy vs another (better) gun. A smith rep said the trigger pull was meant to emulate a safe revolver pull, but may have something to do w/ preventing a glock lawsuit, which they still lost IIRC.
You can get a spring which drops the weight in half through Brownells, but they warn it may lead to light strikes. My advice is if you want something with this size and weight and type, (medium hi cap polymer, striker fired), get a glock. If you want a nightstand, range gun, etc. get a CZ 75 or used Browning Hi Power (you'll have to save up). Taurus polymer guns, nicer trigger, most work, but some will pop their recoil spring retainer, and will sit in Miami for 8 months for warantee, and the design flaw will still be there. Taurus metal guns, much better, they're still a value brand though, so like a Witness they may need some tweaking.
There are a bunch of good polymer 9mm's out there, each w/ different features and pros and cons: SW M&P, Walther P99, XD, Beretta Storm,etc. Go try them out and save up for a better gun is my advice. Sigma is a well made gun w/ terrible trigger, all the $500 guns are a serious upgrade.
You can get a spring which drops the weight in half through Brownells, but they warn it may lead to light strikes. My advice is if you want something with this size and weight and type, (medium hi cap polymer, striker fired), get a glock. If you want a nightstand, range gun, etc. get a CZ 75 or used Browning Hi Power (you'll have to save up). Taurus polymer guns, nicer trigger, most work, but some will pop their recoil spring retainer, and will sit in Miami for 8 months for warantee, and the design flaw will still be there. Taurus metal guns, much better, they're still a value brand though, so like a Witness they may need some tweaking.
There are a bunch of good polymer 9mm's out there, each w/ different features and pros and cons: SW M&P, Walther P99, XD, Beretta Storm,etc. Go try them out and save up for a better gun is my advice. Sigma is a well made gun w/ terrible trigger, all the $500 guns are a serious upgrade.
mljdeckard
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My Sigma was easily, far and away, the worst handgun I have ever owned. I'm ashamed to admit it when I was so young and stupid, I knew nothing about what I wanted in a handgun. I thought it looked cool. The front sight FELL OUT. (Imagine Ron White ranting; "It fell off. It fell OFF. IT FELL THE ^@#% OFF!!") I had to have the feed ramp milled to feed ANY ammo. And yes, the trigger is like prying candy away from my three year old.
First generation? SO WHAT. How many generations does a company have to go through to get something right? I STILL have a bad taste in my mouth for S&W autos. This business is too competitive to not get it right the first time. Glock sued them for patent infringement, why couldn't they copy the parts that worked? Even now, an M&P might be fantastic, but I doubt I'll ever pick one up to find out.
Find a used Glock. Or get the Taurus.
First generation? SO WHAT. How many generations does a company have to go through to get something right? I STILL have a bad taste in my mouth for S&W autos. This business is too competitive to not get it right the first time. Glock sued them for patent infringement, why couldn't they copy the parts that worked? Even now, an M&P might be fantastic, but I doubt I'll ever pick one up to find out.
Find a used Glock. Or get the Taurus.
Was going to buy it, I rented it at the range and hated the trigger, also the stippling was making my hand ache after 50 rounds.
I bought a stoeger cougar in 9mm instead and don't regret it! It's a great gun, check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cougar
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/New+Life+For+An+Old+Cat
The MSRP is now $469 though, not $350 like when the article was published.
I bought a stoeger cougar in 9mm instead and don't regret it! It's a great gun, check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cougar
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/New+Life+For+An+Old+Cat
The MSRP is now $469 though, not $350 like when the article was published.
Deltaboy1984
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I like my Sigma ve 40 but I wouldn't trade the 24/7 45 for one.
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Ed Ames
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I wouldn't make that trade unless there is some reason (unreliability of the Taurus).
I think Sigmas are an outstanding value in a new gun (and they have a bad trigger...those are not mutually exclusive positions) but if you have a .45ACP Taurus that works keep it.
I think Sigmas are an outstanding value in a new gun (and they have a bad trigger...those are not mutually exclusive positions) but if you have a .45ACP Taurus that works keep it.
doc540
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S&W just gave me a return authorization number to have mine sent back for trigger smoothing
and did it on their dime
can't beat that customer service
mailed it off today!
and did it on their dime
can't beat that customer service
mailed it off today!
the 24/7 is definitely a better gun overall, but there is nothing wrong with the sigma... the trigger leaves a lot to be desired as apposed to a great trigger on the taurus... handle the two and you will see the obvious difference.
Youu would be losing a lot in the trade.
Youu would be losing a lot in the trade.
I have a Sigma as an EDC, and have no issues with it. No, the trigger isn't somehting you'd find on a target pistol, but for its intended use, my Sigma functions flawlessly. Its more than accurate enough, and if I need to use it if or when things go south, I doubt very much the trigger will be an issue.
bestseller92
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I don't know about the Sigma, but the Ruger P95 is in the same price range and it's a great gun.
raskolnikov_22
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S&W used to advertise all the research they did into the human hand when devising the Sigma. I've held them, and they really do fit well.
Yo Mama
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Before we throw around harsh language, simmer down a bit. I'm not full of it, and have passed on the Sigma after shooting it, and after researching it quite a bit. They are like any other bottom line pistol that any manufacturer puts out. They don't last, and have issues. The 24/7 as stated by others is a better pistol, even though you bash Taurus.
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