Smith and Wesson Victory

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I picked this up at a pawn shop. Its in really good condition. The camera makes the bit of rust or freckling on it look much worse then it is. The good, the bore is in excellent condition. I doubt it was ever shot much. Its all matching including one side of the grips. I am not sure if this model had the serial number on both sides of the grips. Mechanically it works good as it should. The ugly, Someone scratched a serial number or what looks like one on the left side just under the cyl. I took the photos before I cleaned it and oiled it up. This is exactly how it came from the pawn shop. The top strap is marked U.S. Property and the initials of the inspector. Not sure what year it would have been made in. Any info from someone who knows old S&W revolvers. The size of the cyl looks like its for 38 spec, but the side of the barrel is marked 38 S&W. Is this gun for the 38 S&W ctg or is it for the 38 special. 1.JPG DSC07941.JPG DSC07942.JPG DSC07943.JPG DSC07944.JPG DSC07945.JPG DSC07946.JPG DSC07947.JPG DSC07948.JPG DSC07949.JPG
 
The 5" barrel guns were originally chambered in .38S&W as they were meant for lend-lease to the British who already used the .38/200 cartridge in their Webley and Enfield service revolvers.

S&W used the long cylinder as a matter of expedience since it was faster than making dedicated short cylinders and correspondingly longer barrel extensions (or worse, a smaller frame window).

Many British guns had their cylinders rebored for .38 Spl when they were reimported to the US. Such guns are well known for poor accuracy.
 
I have a couple of the 5" British Victories. Both are good shooters. I also have one of the Enfields in the same caliber.

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They are all good shooters, but the S&W's are definitely the better of the two.

If youre going to load for it, Matts Bullets has the proper bullets to load 38/200. This is the version I use and it works well.

https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=72&products_id=308

This load shoots POA/POI for the sights and is a good and pleasant shooter. If you load the typical 146 grain 38 S&W load, youll find that it tends to shoot low to the sights.

Ive also loaded 158 grain .357 LSWC's with decent results. They are a tad undersized for the .361 bore, but they shot well for me at 10-15 yards. They printed low too, like the 146 grain 38 S&W's.
 
Are these more, less or about the same value as the 38 Special version? Did S&W put US property on the ones for lend lease?
 
Howdy

The Serial Number of your revolver is the number stamped on the bottom of the butt. I do not know what the number scratched on the side of the frame is, but it is not the SN. Perhaps a rack number put there by a police armorer. The serial number has been stamped onto the inside of one of the grips, at the factory, indicating that it left the factory with those grips.The number stamped on the frame under the yoke is an assembly number, it does not mean anything.

Your serial number with the V prefix indicates your Victory model has the old style hammer block inside. A Victory model with that style hammer block was involved in a ship board accident in 1944. The gun fell to the deck and discharged and killed a sailor. S&W did a crash redesign of the hammer block and came up with the design that has been inside every S&W revolver since 1944. It is speculated that hardened cosmoline inside the revolver prevented the older style hammer block from functioning properly, and when the hammer struck the deck, the revolver discharged.

After the shipboard incident, about 40,000 revolvers were sent back to S&W for modification to the new hammer block design. Revolvers modified this way had a S added to the serial number, so the prefix changed to SV The rest of the production run of Victory Models also had the new hammer block inside, and they too had the SV prefix. Just be careful, many thousands of S&W revolvers were made with the old style hammer block and failure was quite rare. Just don't drop it on the hammer with a live round under the hammer.

This is the style of hammer block that will be inside your Victory Model. The angled part attached to the side plate.

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Yes, I am pretty sure the U. S. PROPERTY marking was applied by S&W. The G.H.D marking is for Guy H. Drewry, who was the government inspector from 1930 until 1957. He would probably have been a government employee, but working in the S&W plant to inspect the revolvers.

Victory Models were made from 1942 until 1945. About 242,291 were made. It is difficult to pin down exactly when yours was made, I have one with the Serial Number of V4224XX and I have never tried to figure out exactly when it shipped.

Lend Lease guns did not just go to England, some went to Russia and other Allied countries.

See if you can find a British Broad Arrow on it anywhere. That would confirm that it was accepted in Britain.

This mark is a Canadian Broad Arrow on a revolver that was sent to Canada in 1916. This revolver has the Broad Arrow inside a C for Canada. The standard British Broad Arrow will be the three lines which represent the head of an arrow.

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The funny thing on this gun is it has the US Property and the initials of the US inspector, but I don't see any marks for the British. Did some of these 38 S&Ws get used in the USA? Maybe it was going over and did not make it before the wars end or it went to some place else. Any help on this appreciated.
 
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As to the caliber, it's a .38 S&W as marked. Standard weight for US cartridges was 146 grains in a round nose bullet. Colt called it the .38 New Police and the bullet had a round nose profile but with the tip flattened making it maybe, a better defense round. Best regards, Rod
 
From what I understand the US Government marking just indicates it was purchased by the US and inspected by the US. Where it went is reflected by acceptance markings and proofs of the country whom benefited from the loan. It is possible that some were never loaned out and stayed stateside. Maybe later surplussed. It’s nice that it wasn’t reamed.
 
The funny thing on this gun is it has the US Property and the initials of the US inspector, but I don't see any marks for the British. Did some of these 38 S&Ws get used in the USA? Maybe it was going over and did not make it before the wars end or it went to some place else. Any help on this appreciated.
Does the serial number on the bottom of the grip match the serial number on the cylinder and the flat on the barrel above the ejection rod?
 
Yes the serial numbers all match, the under the barrel, the cyl, bottom of the grip, grip, all match. So its not that it was paired up with another frame.
 
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