Smith and Wesson vs. Taurus

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The Taurus revolver I had couldn't even compare with the S&W guns that I have. Not even a fair comparison in my opinion. I sold the gun.....cheaply.....at the next gun show that I went to. As someone suggested, compare the resale value of the guns in The Blue Book Of Gun Values...that will tell you a lot.
 
I my opinion the Smith & wesson model 638 is the perfect concealed carry weapon! I carry one daily and have one on my person NOW!:)
 
I am a Taurus fan (of their revolvers) and have owned several. I still own 3 (85 Multi-Alloy, 841 Titanium and a stainless 627 Tracker.
I like 'em all and am of the opinion the Tracker is as nice a handgun as one can buy.
I do carry the 85 and soon will be carrying the 851. However, I do look at these little snubbies as tools rather then cherished collectables.

All three of these revolvers (and I've had the 85 and 627 for 8 plus years) are quite reliable, although I have had quality problems with other Taurus revolvers over the years.
 
If you get the Taurus, you'll always be second guessing yourself. Get the Smith and be done with it. The Smith is an Excellent Firearm.
 
Thanks for the gunsmith link. Confirms what we have been saying

Buy quality and invest in America. Brazil has Rio, we have Springfield. Lets keep it just like that. If you want to partake of their life, go on vacation down there, but keep junk guns out of our country; not by legistation, but by economics spurred by patriotism My .02

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We've stopped selling most Taurus automatics at my shop, and we're taking a hard look at their revolvers.

I've seen several with bad timing out of the box. One specimen had a broken firing pin. They DO test-fire these, right?

In the last year, I've seen three broken forcing cones. Twice, I've seen an odd defect related to the manner in which the yoke screw attaches to the left side of the frame, and it leads to the trigger disconnecting. None of these guns had more than a few hundred rounds through them. Many times, these problems occur straight out of the box.

Average warranty service time for Taurus hovers at ~8-12 weeks. I'd estimate the failure rate at around 15-20%.

Smiths have problems, too, but not on this level. The most common problem I see is light primer strikes from the strain screw working itself out with time. That's easily fixed on the spot. I've seen one barrel that was screwed in off-center, one 340 with a cracked top strap (owner fed it a steady diet of .357-brave man!), and a few worn parts here and there.

Except for the crooked barrel and broken 340, all of these guns had a long life before any problems happened. The guns that have returned to S&W are generally back in 7-10 days, and by all accounts (I've personally dealt with them), their customer service is excellent.

Failure percentage for S&W revolvers would fall in the low single-digits.

Now, I've seen some Taurii that have lived long, problem-free lives, but it seems that you're taking a real gamble when buying one. All makers have a lemon now and then, but Taurus manufacturing seems very hit-or-miss (especially when factoring in their automatics).
 
Amen Erik F on the taurus autos! My son had a 24/7 which would jam half way through a magazine every time. He sent it to taurus , they SAID they replaced the mags and suggested he clean it more. (which he is very picky about doing every time he shoots) He still had the same stoppages with the new mags so he gave up and traded it to a springfield 1911.
 
I've had a share of grief with S&Ws and Colts. I've never owned a Taurus.

However, my dealer seems to take a perverse delight in making sure he stocks only Tauri with barrel porting. I abhor barrel porting hence may never be able to have any first person experience with the brand.

I actually dislike extraneous holes in the barrel more than needless holes in the frame. Surely that's a minority view - I know of no one else that would state a preference for an integral frame lock over barrel porting and I don't like the lock. I just really, really don't like porting.

I'm not overly fond of large-font billboards on the barrel either.
 
If you're only going to buy American, why not buy the best? RUGER
That's rather of a good question, in my case.

I had a Security Six way back in a different lifetime and was impressed with the fact they had managed to jetison the screws - Colt and S&W screws give me fits.

But it had the absolute sorriest trigger I've ever encountered. It was horrible.

Have they gotten any better since those days?

Sorry about the thread veer...
 
But it had the absolute sorriest trigger I've ever encountered. It was horrible.

With a minimum of work, mine had a far better trigger than my M19 Smith. I've got the spring kit for my SP101, just haven't installed and tested, yet. But, it's already smoothed up. Yes, they're a little stiff, but a wolf spring will lower the effort. Ruger always over-builds for strength. I've never heard of a Ruger with a light primer strike problem. Ruger designs are innovative and the strongest designs available in DA. You rarely hear of a Ruger being shipped with a problem and they seem to rarely break. My only beef with 'em is that they don't have enough variety, three basic frame sizes, nothing under 27 ounces the SP101 weighs. However, there's not a tougher gun design out there. The strength is in the plateless design.
 
No dates, no dash numbers, no serial number ranges. A journalist should include these things. I take it with a grain of salt because Chuck Hawks has a propensity to write slam jobs on things he doesn't like. Mr. Cunningham as gunsmith commenting on his experiences on his blog actually gave an unbiased professional opinion.

Why even bring up Ruger? The OP didn't ask about them. Further, being overbuilt with triggers that can be good with work doesn't make Ruger the best. It just makes them overbuilt with triggers that can be good with work.

I won't argue that S&W revolvers aren't as finely crafted as they once were, because they aren't. They're still the best out the box revolvers on the market though. If I wanted to shoot cartridges loaded beyond SAAMI pressure levels I'd get an over built and overweight Ruger. Staying within SAAMI specs I'll stick with a light & trim S&W that has a good trigger out of the box.
 
I must be lucky, I own 5 Tauri and only one has had to go back for service, and I got that one back in 3 weeks fixed proper. One is a Millennium Pro PT-140 that hasn't ever jammed or had any other stoppage in 850 rounds, the rest are revolvers (including the one that went back, a Gaucho in .45 colt).

Mostly I bought the Taurus revolvers because I couldn't justify the price difference between the Taurus and the S&W. That doesn't mean I dislike S&W, in fact as the US dollar falls and the price of the imported guns go up, that price advantage may very well shrink to the point where I'd choose a Smith instead.

Quality control on the Taurus does not seem to be as good as other brands. I trust myself to be able to spot most potential problems before I buy so it's a risk I guess I accept for the lower cost. Either brand I would not trust with my life until it's proven it's reliability.
 
Mr. Cunningham as gunsmith commenting on his experiences on his blog actually gave an unbiased professional opinion.

Well, OBviously YOU aren't biased or anything...:rolleyes:

Quality control on the Taurus does not seem to be as good as other brands. I trust myself to be able to spot most potential problems before I buy so it's a risk I guess I accept for the lower cost. Either brand I would not trust with my life until it's proven it's reliability.

Exactly. People order guns or don't bother looking 'em over before purchase, then bitch that it was out of time out of the box. WHAT, you couldn't figure that out at the counter before pulling your wallet out????:rolleyes: I'm into used Taurus revolvers last couple I've purchased. Talk about your GREAT deals! The used market for used Smiths is stupid down here. If it don't have a lock on it, it's often priced more than some new Smiths. Stupid.
 
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