artcicap in few threads posted a few how-tos that Smokein'Joe posted. Playing around in the shop I did two of them. I did his short money cylinder press. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...red-one-of-these-loaders.576127/#post-7121933 I tried it it works I am going to the range Wednesday and I will give a good work out. I also made his cap sizer after I got used to it I really like this tool. I have been using a cap sizer that I made from wire cutters I like Smokein'Joes tool better. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ietta-1858-remington-44.788565/#post-10038031