so about those CZ RAMI's

[trickyasafox]

i saw one on the cz web site, and i am completely unfamiliar with any of thier firearms. The only thing i've previously heard of was the cz52. So i zipped off an email to them for a request for information, but i recieved no response of any sort. Can anyone fill me in about these neat looking little guns? it looks like exactly what i want in a compact, high capacity carry 9mm.

any personal experiences?

 

[deezulsmoke]

Try here. Loads of information. czforum.com

Deez.

 

[Mulliga]

CZ is one of the Czech Republic's oldest firearms manufacturers. The CZ-75 is their most famous handgun. CZs are popular worldwide. I'd rate them at around the level of Sigs or Berettas in terms of quality - in other words, built to withstand a lifetime of use.

As for the RAMI, just type in "RAMI" in the search bar and you'll get more than you ever wanted to know about them (several reviews are on the internet, too). I actually plan on getting one myself very soon for concealed carry. The RAMIs are relatively new on the market, and don't have a long-term track record, but given CZ's history, I'd bet they are good guns. The primary advantage they offer is the ability to take compact and full-size CZ-75 magazines (similar to how a Glock 26 takes all Glock 9mm mags). CZ even offers a 25-rounder.

 

[armoredman]

His 'n hers' CZs - I have the PO1, and she carries the RAMI. Great pistol, works perfectly, (when it's not my reloads...), accurate, and fun. Check your pinkie fit, though, as the grip extension can be a little weird. One guy modified a Peirce to fit, and submitted it to Peirce, and they sat on it. Full size Cz75 and Compact CZ75 mags will also run it is just fine.
If you do get one, don't forget the Hakans!

 

[trickyasafox]

is the po1 still small enough for ccw?

 

[LiquidTension]

I played with a P01 today. I shouldn't have. Now I need one.

 

[armoredman]

I carry my PO1 every day. either OWB in a Galco paddle rig, or IWB in an Orca nylon rig. It is quite comfy in the Orca, and I have no difficulty concealing under a loose shirt. It puts that 9mm slug where I want it every time....

 

[WVleo]

Cz Rami

Hi, Is there gonna be a magazine pinkie extention soon or do you still need to modify the XD model ?................WVleo

 

[RicVa]

I've got the RAMI in 9mm as my CCW. It has not had a failure of any kind. You definitely want to handle one first, but don't be scared of the size, I am 6'7" and have not problem handling the RAMI with my pinkie on the bottom edge without any mag extension. Excellent weapon!

 

[CZF]

The RAMI makes perfect sense for a CCW 9mm pistol, as it it very compact and holds 10 rounds.

RAMI pics (most CZs, too) and Review at the CZ ZONE:

http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/czid/cz-zone.html

 

[pax]

I reviewed the RAMI for Women & Guns magazine a few months back.

It's got good ergonomics, fits very comfortably in the hand. The factory grips are very cushy. Recoil in the 9mm version is negligible (I did not fire the .40 version).

At 25 ounces, the RAMI is a bit heavy for a concealed carry gun, but not too badly so. CZ is introducing a polymer framed version which will be considerably lighter, so there's hope if weight is a big issue for you.

It isn't hard to take down for cleaning, doesn't have a bunch of itsy-bitsy parts to lose, and goes back together without much fuss. There are visibly rough surfaces and machining marks on the innards of the gun, but not on any obvious critical surfaces that I noticed. No problems with reliability or function.

RAMI comes with 3-dot sights designed to pick up ambient light. Sort of. If I wanted night sights, I'd probably replace the factory sights with real night sights. But the ones it came with weren't bad.

Off a sandbag at 25 yards, my best group was -- just barely -- around 2 inches. I had to work pretty hard to get that group, and most the other groups I shot fell into the 3 to 4 inch category.

The trigger was probably my biggest gripe. It was very, very heavy. In DA, it was 15 pounds. Not unexpected. But in SA, it was still very heavy, weighing in at 9 1/2 pounds. To my way of thinking, that's outlandish.

Despite the heavy trigger, the gun was a lot of fun on the range. It ran through all the various ammo types I had lying around the house and never missed a beat.

The RAMI does not have a decocking lever and so must be decocked by hand. There are ways to safely accomplish this, of course, but I've always felt that a mechanical decocker is somewhat safer for most people.

I liked the size of the gun, its basic design, and the fact that it could be carried either in DA mode or cocked-and-locked. The overall dimensions make it very shootable for those of us with smaller hands, and it is very friendly for concealed carry. I know lots of CZ fans will disagree with me about that trigger ... but they're wrong. Fortunately, it isn't a big deal to take a gun to a gunsmith and get the trigger lightened a bit, and if I had a RAMI that would probably be the first thing I would do.

pax

 

[MoeMentum]

You won't go wrong with any CZ pistol.

 

[chris in va]

The trigger was probably my biggest gripe. It was very, very heavy. In DA, it was 15 pounds. Not unexpected. But in SA, it was still very heavy, weighing in at 9 1/2 pounds. To my way of thinking, that's outlandish

Easy enough to fix with a lighter hammer spring.

Personally I think the RAMI is a bit chunky for light summer carry, as is the P01. The Compact is thinner around the muzzle and should be more comfortable.

 

[atblis]

CZ's triggers are often crappy

That's my only gripe about CZ's in general. The're still my favorite pistol. Just gotta do a trigger job when you get them (sometimes you get lucky and get a good one).

 

[armoredman]

Hey, pax, all of CZ triggers have been outstanding, 3 so far....and I'm not wrong. The only CZ trigger I ever had trouble with was on my pair of CZ70s....try one of those against anything else someday!

 

[pax]

ArmoredMan ~

In the past year, I've shot dozens of different guns.

The HKP2000SK LEM trigger was nice, surprisingly lightweight, stacked up a little too much at the end, and had a great reset.

The Kahr CW9 trigger is amazing. Probably the best DAO trigger I've ever felt in terms of smoothness. The reset is really, really too long for a defensive pistol, but if you want the safety of a DA, the Kahrs are great.

My Glock trigger is a Glock trigger. Annoying for those not used to it, acceptable for those who are.

The XD-9 trigger is not all that different from a Glock, but sweeter and somewhat smoother.

The S&W 686 had a wonderfully smooth trigger, obviously been shot a lot over the years and smoothed out as it went. It was quite heavy (as expected), but gave me no grief otherwise. Fun gun to shoot, too.

The Ruger Mark II trigger was excellent -- short, sweet, and light.

The trigger on the Beretta Neos was a disappointment. Way too heavy for a plinking gun, gritty and inconsistent. It needed a trigger job in order to be any fun to shoot at all, which was a shame because the gun itself was a hoot.

The P3AT and P32 triggers are uncomfortable, with sharp, sharply curved bottom edges. That curve also bit my finger at the moment of firing, a very very very annoying little feature which I'm told doesn't happen to everyone. I was unable to adjust my grip enough to get rid of the bite. The pull was gritty and both guns could have used some tweaking.

The NAA Minis have odd little triggers. There's no felt movement at all as you put pressure on them, they just suddenly break all at once and fire the shot. You hardly feel any movement even then, because they move all of a 16th of an inch or so.

I've also shot dozens of 1911s with triggers ranging from excellent to crappy, a handful of various snubbies with triggers ranging from excellent to pretty good, a couple of HKs, a couple of Sigs, and probably a dozen others I'm forgetting.

There's no such thing as a perfect trigger. Some of the ones I've shot have come close to perfection for me, others were acceptable, and some would have me winging the gun into the nearest gunsmith as quickly as it came into my hands.

The CZ RAMI I shot was on the "take it to a gunsmith" end of my scale.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

pax

 

[Ky Larry]

I had a CZ RAMI in .40S&W. It was the only CZ I have ever had any problems with. The second or third round would hit the feed ramp and jam. This problem was only with WWB ammo. Winchester Silver Tips, S&B, Federal, and Remington ammo worked just fine. I polished the feed ramp and fixed the problem. This was the only CZ I've ever owned that wouldn't eat anything I feed it right out of the box. Accuracy was pretty good. I would recomend a RAMI for CCW. As with any CZ, the trigger got better with use.

 

[TimboKhan]

size

From my limited experience with CZ, I would say without hesitation that if you like the way it feels, then buy one. I looked at the RAMI in my quest for a 9mm, and while I have no doubt that it is a fine, reliable firearm that will afford whoever purchases one a lifetime of exceptional service, for me personally it just wasn't a fit. The butt is too small (and I currently carry a small Taurus .357, so I am used to small butts, as it were) for my hands, and I wasn't overly pleased with the layout of the controls. Again, this is simply reflective of what I look for in a firearm. If you like it, then you should have no qualms about buying it. By the way, I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but grumpy ol' Jeff Cooper helped design the CZ75 (if memory serves) and i say if its good enough for Cooper, its good enough for anyone.

 

[Mulliga]

By the way, I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but grumpy ol' Jeff Cooper helped design the CZ75 (if memory serves) and i say if its good enough for Cooper, its good enough for anyone.

Jeff Cooper praised the CZ-75, and the Bren Ten copied from its design, but the original CZ-75 was designed by the Koucky brothers, who worked at the state-owned arms factory Ceska Zbrojovka.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg51-e.htm

About the RAMI - a polymer-framed version (lighter and with an ambi safety) is supposedly coming out later this year, so you might want to see how that turns out.

 

[armoredman]

pax, I was just ribbin' ya for that earlier comment, nothing more. I am a CZ nut, and make no secret of it, so everyone here probably takes my comments with a (insert quantity required) of salt anyway.
Ever tried the original Ansai OnePro trigger? Incredible. On the other end, the Astra A-80 - pull on Sunday, may go off by Tuesday....

 

[Northslope Nimrod]

Cz

I LOVE my CZ RAMI 9mm. Quite compact, yet beefy enough for comfortable shooting. I shoot it as well as my BHP and I have never...I repeat...NEVER had a FTF or FTE or any other problem in over 2000 rounds. The double action pull is getting better but could use some work....but the single action pull has lightened up nicely.
GO with a CZ. If it is for CCW then check out the RAMI and the PCR.

 

[sendtoscott]

I saw a polymer Rami 'prototype' at the NRA convention last weekend.

 

[Mrs. Armoredman]

Sounds like y'all had some good and bad times with your Rami's. I have a Rami 9mm and I love it. It seems like it was made for me. It is easy to shoot and easy to conceal. The only problem I had with mine was, it doesn't like Armoredman's reloads,other than that it works just fine. I can't wait to take to the range again along with my Yugo SKS. It has a smooth triger and hardly no recoil and that it what I like the most.


Mrs. A.

 

[hso]

Got a .40 and think very highly of it, except for the heavy gritty trigger when I fed it the first time. After a couple of hundred rounds it smoothed right up.

 

[FunYet]

I had the Rami in .40 and traded it toward the 9mm model. Nothing wrong with the .40 but it was just a bit too snappy for me. The 9mm that I had was a real tack driver and natural pointer. I eventually traded it toward another gun that I wanted. To me the only downside to the Rami is lack of a decocker because I personally never got comfortable with lowering the hammer over a live round, even though I know how to do it safely (call it a my personal mental block - please no flames or lectures). I think the Rami is a good handgun and can be had for a fair price.