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So Everytown Just Published a Map for all US FFL
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I'm not seeing where "home addresses" are listed in that database, only the business address.
While I'm no fan of Everytown, I'm not really sure why this is a bad thing. If the NRA came out with a searchable map of FFL's, I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with it. It's free advertising.
CoalCrackerAl
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I must not have done the search right.
I think what's irritating is the motivation for it- Everytown's outrage that people can sell or manufacture guns from their homes "without signs and without notifying neighbors". Sex offenders have to notify their neighbors, why not gun dealers? So Everytown feels they have a moral duty to notify their followers on where these gun dealers reside for the safety of the community.
I think the kitchen table dealers are going to get squeezed out soon anyway. The current administration and the current ATF director want home FFLs and private sellers gone. They want all sales to go to larger dealers.
I think the kitchen table dealers are going to get squeezed out soon anyway. The current administration and the current ATF director want home FFLs and private sellers gone. They want all sales to go to larger dealers.
Mosin77
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Everytown just disapproves of and considers guns in any form to be a moral blight, period. “Kitchen table” FFLs are considered low-hanging fruit. They also probably choose them since they might get some gun industry support. They calculate, I’m sure, that there’s more than a few “big” dealers who would get behind eliminating the small time dealers, who are honestly a better a representation of authentic American gun culture than the likes of Bass Pro -sell you some overpriced guns with as many paperwork headaches as possible, and make sure you have a massive safe, too. And the fewer transfer dealers there are, the more difficult it will be to buy firearms online. And the fewer dealers in general, the easier it is to inspect them all frequently and the more likely they’ll nail one with a paperwork transgression that can be blown up to the point that the dealer prefers to get out of guns entirely.
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I believe this was public domain information anyway. The ATF has a searchable database for FFLs. And nearly every online gun order store has a FFL locator to do the transfer paperwork. So I don't see why this is a big deal if all the information was public knowledge anyway.
Some FFL licensees work out of their homes.
Yes. I'm aware. Most of the new guns I've purchased were transferred through an FFL who worked out of his home. His address was publicly available, as are all FFL's. The implication of the headline of that video is that Everytown published addresses that weren't already publicly available, or at least that's impression I got. I get why folks don't like the motivation behind this, but the fact remains that Everytown is just making it easier for folks to find information that they could already find if they were semi competent at searching the internet for publicly, legally available information. I'll say again that if the NRA had come out with the exact same thing, no one would have had a problem with it.
Let's say an FFL is operating out of the home. They can limit their transfers to relatives, friends, referrals or members of a local club. Those people may be new, although it's not like each appeared after starting with the 'Town map/ listing.
Heir Kommt Die Sonne
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And honestly if safety was their motive, they'd fail at this. If a person in a neighborhood is now known by everyone to be a avid gun collector, those rumors can spread to thieves who now know which house to target. Wait for him to go to the store or to work, break in and steal a dozen guns or so. Now you have a bunch of guns in the hands of criminals. NOT more safe. If you don't like the prospect of someone in your neighborhood having guns, just leave them alone. That's the safest thing you can do.
You guys do get the difference between something being public and something being publicized, right?
Everytown is targeting some low information people with this stuff. It's one thing to have your name in a public database, like a phone book. It's another to have somebody who doesn't know any better- ignorant of dealer licensing or that the information was available- outraged and looking for you.
Everytown is targeting some low information people with this stuff. It's one thing to have your name in a public database, like a phone book. It's another to have somebody who doesn't know any better- ignorant of dealer licensing or that the information was available- outraged and looking for you.
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CapnMac
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Set up a Virtual Machine on a anonymous IP (yeah, like I trust Everytown to not be data mining IP or cookie harvesting--Information Warfare reflexes die hard).
It looks like the Everytown whizkidz have no idea that there are more than on kind of FFL, so their list appears to only be 01s. It's a very pretty interface--the code kidz know their stuff, but, dang, they're dumb
It looks like the Everytown whizkidz have no idea that there are more than on kind of FFL, so their list appears to only be 01s. It's a very pretty interface--the code kidz know their stuff, but, dang, they're dumb
Capn,
have you paid attention to FFL numbers? The first digit is the region, then the IRS district, then the area ( like the city ), then the license type and then the expiration. Finally the unique I.D. number.
rocketffl.com
have you paid attention to FFL numbers? The first digit is the region, then the IRS district, then the area ( like the city ), then the license type and then the expiration. Finally the unique I.D. number.
FFL Number - What an FFL Number Means and How to Look Up an FFL Number
An FFL number is a unique identifying number assigned to every Federal Firearms License issued by the ATF. In addition to identifying
rocketffl.com
GeoDudeFlorida
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It goes to motive: Everytown uses Antifa and other Marxist movements to commit violence against individuals for the purpose of intimidation and to make murder look like manslaughter. The NRA and GOA are censored by public institutions; antigun groups are not. That means the Everytown list can be accessed anonymously - no trace - while the progun sites cannot. They are very closely monitored by governments and NGO’s.
A flash mob invading one of these mom-n-pop businesses - pushing over displays, stealing, breaking windows - will generate a violent response. That’s what Everytown wants: news stories about peaceful protesters being gunned down by violent extremists just for expressing their opinions about the evils of gun culture.
Read Mao and Stalin if you want the real backstory on the antigun movement.
epags
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Sorry, but IMO, a 'peaceful protester' does not trash, steal or break windows. Violence will be avoided when the owners were holding the 'peaceful protesters' at gun point for the police. It would take a lot of b....ls on the part of the members of a flash mob to think the owner of a gun store will NOT shoot. Lot easier @ department stores and grocery stores for a flash mob scene.
During the Watts riots in Los Angeles, gun owners were visibly on the roofs of their business with rifles and (what a surprise) none were broken into.
TomJ
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I'm pretty sure the use of the term "peaceful protestor" was used in the context of how BLM and other left wing rioters were portrayed by the MSM as they burned down cities, looted and attacked people. No thinking person believes they were peaceful.
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CapnMac
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Yes, but, I was more referring to "License Type" numbers, as in 01, 03, 07, etc.
Can you imagine the horror if Everytown discovered that there are, gasp, people licensed to actually make Ammunitions!? And, they could be next door?
The horror the horror (I hated reading Heart of Darkness, it's a tedious retelling of the Odessy, but, dang is it full of useful quotes).
And, [tremble] the fact that there are unlicensed [gasp] reloaders out there calmly, safely, competently making their own ammo. O the wringing of hands and knotting of drawers!!
If they were going after brick and mortar gun shops, they would already be doing it. They can find gun shops on Google Maps.
Their express purpose was to expose gun dealers working out of their homes.
"...a person can turn their home into a gun shop without notifying their neighbors."
hutch51
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Thank You. Pulled the text file for my state, looked up the local shops. Getting the "itch" for another firearm.
Text files are easy to search. Haven't used spreadsheets since mid-eighties.
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A Sioux Falls newspaper owned by USA Today gathered and published the names of all concealed carry permittees in South Dakota some years ago, just before the effective date of a law shielding such information. The list included current and former governors, our congressional delegation and most judges, among many other public officials. As with most of what is "reported" these days, it was not newsworthy. These days, no concealed carry permit is required in any event.
I just hit the newspaper's website to find out ownership information. "Oh Snap, that page is missing".
I just hit the newspaper's website to find out ownership information. "Oh Snap, that page is missing".
dweis
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Just more Everytown political grandstanding. It will change nothing except get the FFLs pissed off. As for home addresses being published, if you list your home address as the place of business, it becomes public information. I agree with others AT&T the database is basically useless in the age of Internet search engines.
Fortunately, unlike FFL addresses, that's not public information in most states.
