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So how about when you run out of ammo...

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by WheelMan, Oct 13, 2003.

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  1. WheelMan

    WheelMan Member

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    ....or your pistol breaks?

    How's your carry piece work as a fistload?

    While it had nothing to do with why I chose it, I think my semi-compact baby eagle makes a pretty good club:

    1. It's all steel and heavy.
    2. Full length dust cover means it won't go out of battery if you jab in the barrel into sombody, or if the gun is dry and locked back you can poke'em with the dust cover/barrel
    3. The grip is large enough to stick out below my hand for use in an overhead chopping motion (My magazines have metal baseplates, instead of the usual plastic, which helps this)
    4. The trigger gaurd is well forward and square, making a nice little force concentrating point for swinging into someones nose.

    Of course it still has nothing on the single action revolver as far as being used as a club goes. I'm sure more people have been effectively pistol whipped with one of those than any other design. If you rotate the gun so the back of the hammer is against the web of your tumb (much like it would be after you fired a round) It's a mean 7.5inch baton on one end (in my case) and a pointy grip kubaton sort of thing on the other. And if you keep a finger in the trigger gaurd it has a little brass knuckle flavor too :)

    So how would you rate your carry peice as a fistload? Did anybody actually take that into consideration when decideing what to carry?
     
  2. Wedge

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    My gun is a 10

    As far as being a fistload goes my Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt is a 10. I think it would hurt less to be shot by it than to be beaten with it.
     
  3. Tamara

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    Nope.
     
  4. Soap

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    If I've already fired 25 rounds of .45ACP at the BG, he better not be close enough for me to pistol whip. He had better be stopped, or I had better have ran sufficiently away to save my skin by the time I'm dry.
     
  5. WheelMan

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    Naturally, but I'm talking about that .0001% of the time where the guy is already on top of you and you pull your gun and *click*
     
  6. Litlman

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    Chances are that if you are out of ammo or if weapon is not working you are in BIG trouble and for that you need to do one thing, "RUN AWAY"!!!!! If it turns to an in-fighting situation I would go to my edged weapon.
     
  7. Soap

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    Wheelman- That is true...so I suppose that the good old government model would make a decent dent in someone's skull. That close I would prefer an edged weapon, but I don't know if I would want to drop the gun (which may be back in action with a simple taprackbang). Yet another reason to carry a BUG.
     
  8. Shaughn Leayme

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    If the primary fails, I draw my bug and continue on.

    As far as using my pistol as an impact weapon, only in the direst of circumstances.
     
  9. El Tejon

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    I know there are those who advocate punching with the pistol, but it runs contrary to everything I've been taught. I think this is a an expression of the observation that the wise man in Tejas makes about firearms: for a pistol everyone wants to get reeeeal close, "yeah, I shot him and set him on fire," and with a rifle everyone wants to run to the next county before they shoot something.

    In LE I saw one pistol used as a blunt instrument. A S&W M36 used to ka-bong a motorcycle club member by another member. He hit the guy on the back of the head and it bent the trigger guard back so that the weapon could not fire. Guy lost his depth perception for a while after he woke up from sleepy time.

    In selecting my pistols, it has never been a concern.
     
  10. Sean Smith

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    A pistol makes a poor blunt weapon, generally. Use the right tool for the job... guns for gunning and clubs for clubbing.

    That said, I've got an all-steel 1911 with a bull barrel that could probably dent a head fairly well.

    :evil:
     
  11. WheelMan

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    Sometimes the right tool for the job is the one you have in your hand. That's the situation when you're close with a guy and your pistol's out of commision.
     
  12. Zach S

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    If I hear "click" it would most likely be due to a slow primer, and this would be about the only time I could see myself jabbing someone with the muzzle end. Trying to push the gun out of battery will result in a .5" hole in the BG's hand, at least, it may travel trough the forearm as well, or end up centermass. Unless Jacki Chan or Jet Li tries to mug me, I cant imagine someone pushing my gun out of battery succsessfully when all I have to do is pull back a little to return it. Not to mention the travel of my trigger is a lot shorter than the distance from their hand to my sidearm. Since my current carry sidearm (C7.45 LDA), and the next one (Kimber Series I Compact Stainless), are built on an officer's model frame, I can't hit someone with the magwell, but I can smack them with the side of the pistol.

    However, when it comes to a fistload, I'd rather use my 5 or 6 D cell maglight.
     
  13. Sean Smith

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    Gee, thanks for the lecture, WheelMan. No doubt born of the grim experience of life's demimonde, etc. :p

    A pistol is a crummy blunt weapon. I'd rather use my hands or transition to a knife than use an inoperable pistol as a club in a real fight. Fists would be much faster and more precise, and a knife would be far more dangerous. Or do I not have my hands in this scenario, too? :D
     
  14. WheelMan

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    Um... You're welcome?

    The point of my question was "how's your pistol as a fistload?," That you'd rather stab him or that a gun isn't even a very good club in the first place is outside the scope of the thread :p. I agree, it's not a good club, and I would rather stab him, but that's not the question.

    Granted I've never had to do this for real, not many of us have, but I would think if an attacker is close and my non-operating gun is already in my hand, I'm not going to waste time going for a knife or somthing else on my belt. nor am I going to smack him with my weak hand when I have a heavy metal object in my strong hand. I'll be trying to make the gun and his head occupy the same space which will hopefully give me time and distance enough to go for a knife or BUG or run away or whatever seems appropriate at that moment.
     
  15. Double Naught Spy

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    Posted by Sean Smith ...

    A pistol makes a poor blunt weapon, generally. Use the right tool for the job... guns for gunning and clubs for clubbing.

    Unfortunately, Sean forgot about the Superman factor here. In the early days of B&W Superman on TV, Superman would stand his ground and allow all sorts of rounds to bounce of his chest, but as soon as somebody hurled an empty gun at him he would duck and when they tried to beat him with a gun, he had to perform some fairly amazing hand-to-hand action. Superman did not fear bullets, but blunt objects like empty pistols really bothered him a lot!

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    As far as my pistol as an impact weapon, only in the direst circumstances for which I agree with Shaughn Leayme. Of course, if I am in a fight, out of ammo and the fight is still on, then that criterion has already been met.
     
  16. Jack19

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    Run out of ammo? I leave the house in the morning with a minimum of 50 rounds of 9mm on my person....pretty easy with a Glock. If I need it, there's an AR with 180 rounds in the trunk along with an extra 50 round box of 9mm. But, just in case I do run out of ammo....there's a SP-101 with 15 rounds in the console.

    On Saturdays and Sundays...it's the same load out. A long time ago in a place far far away, I learned a hard lesson....ALWAYS carry enough ammo.

    Run out of ammo. lololol :scrutiny: :D
     
  17. Jim K

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    Jack19, you are a piker. A year or so ago on another site, a guy bragged that he carried two big Glocks, two little Glocks, four mags for each, plus 200 rounds of extra ammo, a big bowie knife, a small dagger, a Swiss army knife, and two pairs of nun-chucks. Maybe Excalibur was in there someplace also.

    I could not conceive of a guy going out like that, under armed.

    Jim

    P.S. IMO, he was some kid playing SWAT wannabe on the site; he probably had never seen a Glock in his life except in catalogs.

    JEK
     
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    Guess I figure my polymer pistols can bash someone's head in almost as well as my all-metal pistols. And my shotgun has 'em all licked for hand-to-hand range and effect.
     
  19. Dave R

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    Fistload? My P-32 doesn't even make a good paperweight.
     
  20. WheelMan

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    You've got a 590 with a bayonet lug too huh? ;)
     
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    I'd personally rather carry a lighter gun with and more ammo, than an all-steel weapon with only one magazine.
    To that end, my carry guns are either alloy-framed, or polymer-framed and are in the mid twenty ounce region.
    Or two j-frame airweight .357s
    Either way, 25 ounces of gun, and 25 rounds of ammo, minimum.
    Anything I would have on my person would make a pretty lousy club.
     
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    The Kahr MK40 I used to have would work well as a slashing weapon with the slide locked back. The front dust cover is very thin and comes down to a sharp edge ... could slash a guys throat with it if you had to :D
     
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    :eek: Holy crap! I'd much rather hit somebody in the face (if the situation warranted it) with just about any pistol, than use my hand. Don't hafta be quite so accurate and easier on the knuckles.
     
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    I ran out of cigarettes once in 1969. I don't run out of cigarettes. I don't run out of Häagen-Dazs chocolate ice cream. I don't run out of ammunition. I don't run out of keyboards. I don't run out of hard drive space.
     
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    I don't carry but the home duty gun is a 5" Smith 625. I am sure that any intimate contact between it and the human head will result in the revolver being slightly out of time afterward, or maybe the sights getting out of set. Of course, these are small problems compared to the daunting one of getting the gun out of the perp's skull.
     
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