So, how good ARE you.........really ?

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Now, I realize that nearly everyone online is an expert shot and everything, but how good are YOU?

Let's do this:

(Using your regular carry gun and carry method)

First drill: A sheet of typing paper at 5 yds, either mounted on a piece of cardboard or in the center of an IPSC or IDPA target.

Starting from concealment, hands at sides, how fast can you draw and put FIVE shots on the sheet of paper?

Second drill: About 8-10 inches above the full sheet of paper, put a sheet of typing paper folded into 4th's. At signal, draw, fire five into the full sheet, reload, put TWO into the folded sheet (simulating a failure to stop/head shot)

All shots must be on the respective paper to count.


What do you think a "good" time would be for these drills?

How fast do you think you can do them?


Any other "down and dirty" defensive drill ideas requiring 10 rds or less that can be done on any range are welcome.
 
I'm not as good as I would like to be with a handgun.....a rifle though :D

I have never met any of the millions of people on the internet who can make "one ragged hole at 25 yards" with their Glock 22 or their S&W 686. :rolleyes:
 
wow-- you are invited to my club any Friday
there were 9 members last Fri and 3 of us as a foolie did just that; with a G, P and a kimber gold match. 50 shots each and one flyer each for the glock & H&K. if it hadn't been a race, I'm thinking there would have been no flyers. most of us do 3 plate Mozambique's in 2.2 or less.
i wonder why so many think it is so hard?

answer to the question 5 shots in under 2 seconds--1.21 and .17 splits is my average
havent tried folding paper but 3 plates, dbl tap is under 2.3; add a reload and call it 3 seconds.
i'll try us this fri and get back
 
answer to the question 5 shots in under 2 seconds--1.21 and .17 splits is my average
havent tried folding paper but 3 plates, dbl tap is under 2.3; add a reload and call it 3 seconds.
i'll try us this fri and get back
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Remember, it's from concealment, hands at sides, reacting to the beep.

I look forward to learning of yours results!
 
I make a big enough fool of myself without trying this!

But is saying this, I bet anyone will run if I have to start shooting at them whether I hit them or not.
 
I dont work that fast and dont push that many shots. Slow and easy does it.

1 inch more or less at 7 yards and two or three inches at 15 yards.

An old Marine once told me there is always someone bigger, faster and badder than you.

With that in mind, I am content with my own reliability for drawing CCW and hitting target. I am not a fast person.
 
Slow and easy does it.
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It does ???

Defending your life is a competitive activity and there is definitely a time factor at work: You're trying to stop/kill him BEFORE HE KILLS YOU, so he's movtivated, as well.

"Slow and easy" gets you killed if you can't fire your first shot in time to do any good.
 
Here is my definition of slow and easy.

http://www.kuci.org/~dany/firearms/all_drills.html

I try to contain myself from going to fast at the range is what I meant by slow and easy.

I also work through the natural fear/flight that can freeze you up if you let it. If it is all or nothing as against a knifer in a city alley, then it's going to be fast and over one way or the other.

Cheers.
 
I'll have to give this a try. They have a cute little 5 yard range at my shooting range (next to the 25). I hardly even shoot on the side range....just picke up the leftover brass there.....
 
Know the guy who shoots the 12 shots from a S&W revolver in 2.9 seconds, Jerry Miculek? Well, I'm nowhere near that fast. :D
 
I have never met any of the millions of people on the internet who can make "one ragged hole at 25 yards" with their Glock 22 or their S&W 686.
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Managed to do that once with my 620, shooting handloaded .38 LWC rounds, on single-action, many years ago.

Been trying to to it again since :uhoh:
 
I am not too bad with full size auto's( 1911's or CZ style auto's). I would say ok with my Kahr CC style pistols, but with snubnose revolvers its good they are considered 7yd's- belly gun cause they are a bit more difficult for me at longer distances (although I love them for CC).
 
I'm pretty darned good with a HG, OK with a rifle, and average at best with a SG........uh probably below average :)
 
I shoot IDPA, and sometimes if there's not enough time to run another stage, but it's too early to quit, we set up an IDPA silhouette, and play a real quick game.

You get 6 rounds. The target is 3 to 4 yards out. You start with the gun in the holster, and facing away from the target. When the beeper goes off, you have to turn, draw your firearm, put 4 shots center of mass, and 2 to the head. 3.26 was the best. Most of the regulars were in the 4's.
 
I've always been able to win local competitions, but regional guys in IDPA, I shot "slow expert" times and had lots of competition. The master class guys awe me. There were several in a club I used to shoot with. I was always pretty fast from leather and very accurate, but I never got reloading speed down, my Achilles heal. I'd never probably be able to make master class. Oh, maybe, if I practiced every day and burned LOTS of ammo and dedicated myself totally to it. Never say never, but I was never wanting to put that much time into it and I'd been either reloading or shooting all the time and spending lots of money on primers and powder and, well, you know. :D I practiced as much as I could. That's when I got a Dillon progressive. I started out as a Sharpshooter, so I advanced one class in about 3 years. LOL, not too great, but when I feel down on myself, I just go to a local shoot, big fish in a little pond. :D

I never even bought a timer, so I can't quantify much of anything for this post. I ain't all THAT fast compared to a lot of good shooters, but I can defend myself, I'm confident in that. That's really all that matters to me.
 
You get 6 rounds. The target is 3 to 4 yards out. You start with the gun in the holster, and facing away from the target. When the beeper goes off, you have to turn, draw your firearm, put 4 shots center of mass, and 2 to the head. 3.26 was the best. Most of the regulars were in the 4's.
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Sounds like a good drill. To clarify: Facing "away" how? Uprange? 90 degrees to the side? Is it from concealment? Hands up or down? I may give this a try next time at the range.
 
I'll try it soon.

I hold a record at one club for a "fast draw" competition that starts with thumbs touching both earmuffs. IPSC target is six feet. My record is .78 seconds and usually I'm in the mid to low 80s with my favorite revolver . . . a chopped, 3 1 1/4" S&W 25-2 in .45ACP. The holster is a plain old Bianchi Cyclone II nylon holster from the 1980s with a thumb strap (but strap unsnapped but in position otherwise).

In bowling pin competitions I've cleared six pin tables (@ 10 yards) in the mid 3 second range. Most splits at ten yards on pins run about a second to knock over the first pin and about 2.5 seconds to finish running the table.

Based on your hand's down draw, which is infinitely easier and faster, and at the shorter distances for the splits, probably about 2.7-3.1 seconds would seem about right.

With a rimfire handgun it would be faster of course.

In one pin match competition once for .22LR handguns, I rolled six pins (10 yards) in 2.20 seconds (six rounds). Blazing fast and I've never been able to duplicate it. Another shooter had an incredible time and I just decided to roll the dice.

Basically I was shooting as fast as I could pull the trigger and the front sight would light right on the center mass of the next pin just as the next round went off. We were all stunned. Great memories. (I won't tell you about the BAD days in competitions!!!);)

Speed requires accuracy that is improved over time via lots and lots of serious practice . . . and skills fall off if you lay off any. This time of the year, most folks are pretty rusty.
 
Dave, I open carry, and only have 5 shots. Make that 3 and two? Well, right now I am looking for a good holster to open carry. My last open carry piece got traded for my new one and the old holster doesn't fit. I'm not worried about reloading... revolvers don't fail to feed or eject, so I only have to worry about failure to go bang.
 
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