So I broke the law tonight...

[son of a gun]

You guys can't see sarcastic humor if it's staring you in the face.

 

[4v50 Gary]

You mean nobody understood my joke?

 

[son of a gun]

 

[4v50 Gary]

 

[P95Carry]

Touché !!

 

[GhostCat]

Laws are made to be broken......especially some of the BS laws that are on the books....I break the law every day in many different ways.....and I ain't ashamed to admit it.
Hey, if you were to abide by every Law on the Books you would be doomed to be a frikkin PRUDE!!!!!......Oops, I better watch what I say so that I won't break any laws......

GhostCat

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I did the same thing last night. Went to the Castro district in SF to watch the freak show. Last year it erupted in near rioting and violence from what I understand.

Sounds like, um, AVOIDING the area would be even safer.

 

[50 Freak]

Nope, not letting fear tell me where I can or can't go. Doesn't mean I can't go prepared though.

 

[esheato]

As of my last post, I was prepared to get on the defensive as sarcasm is sometimes hard to interpret on here. I'm glad we're all having a good time again, except for son of a gun with his installation of humor....that just isn't funny man.

esheato...

 

[buttrap]

Some stores here in Oregon put up signs like that over or on their doors,really does not mean squat if you are legal unless it has a ORS. code under it and they cant do that on private property. The most they can do is tell you to leave. Now if it has a fine print quoting a legal code thats a differant story..you see that on Courthouse and Police offices that have holding cells. The rest is just their opinion as a property owner and a tresspass issue if you dont leave when asked is all.

 

[harpethriver]

Esheato-hope you aren't losing any sleep over this one-those pangs of guilt might be construed as creeping liberalism. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. Laws lacking in logic(most of them) are meant to be broken when common sense dictates. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're telling us you feel naked without your gun-that's an entirely different matter-and we don't want to go there on this site anyway.

 

[bogie]

Back when I was a kid, I was in the Jaycees. We put on haunted houses for charity every year. Made some good $$ for the charity too (took needy kids xmas shopping).

The LAST thing we wanted in the thing was someone with a weapon. Hey, we did a GOOD haunted house, and we definitely gave folks their money's worth. We had several incidents where a customer would wig out, and "defend himself" (generally just punching/kicking) against the monster who was about to "assault" him.

Bogie
The Mummy

 

[ElToro]

What I want to know is... how did you get a CCW in PRK ? i see you're from Marysville, is the CLEO there pro2A ?

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I did the same thing last night. Went to the Castro district in SF to watch the freak show. Last year it erupted in near rioting and violence from what I understand.

Sounds like, um, AVOIDING the area would be even safer.

Nope, not letting fear tell me where I can or can't go. Doesn't mean I can't go prepared though.

There's a difference between fear and common sense. If there is a high probability of riot and violence, and given that a gun isn't a magic shield against harm, discretion seems the better part of valor.

John Farnam says:

The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is: Don't be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don't go to stupid places. Don't associate with stupid people. Don't do stupid things. This is the advice I give to all students of defensive firearms. Winning a gunfight, or any other potentially injurious encounter, is financially and emotionally burdensome. The aftermath will become your full-time job for weeks or months afterward, and you will quickly grow weary of writing checks to lawyer(s). It is, of course, better than being dead or suffering a permanently disfiguring or disabling injury, but the "penalty" for successfully fighting for your life is still formidable.

Crowds of any kind, particularly those with an agenda, such as political rallies, demonstrations, picket lines, etc are good examples of "stupid places." Any crowd with a high collective energy level harbors potential catastrophe. To a lesser degree, bank buildings, hospital emergency rooms, airports, government buildings, and bars (particularly crowded ones) fall into the same category. All should be avoided. When they can't be avoided, we should make it a practice to spend only the minimum time necessary there and then quickly get out.

"A superior gunman is best defined as one who uses his superior judgment in order to keep himself out of situations that would require the use of his superior skills."

(A must-read! http://www.defense-training.com/quips/19Mar03.html)

 

[P95Carry]

"A superior gunman is best defined as one who uses his superior judgment in order to keep himself out of situations that would require the use of his superior skills."

I will second that ..... ALWAYS ............

 

[G. Glock]

esheato,

I thought your post was good. Although we might risk legal entanglements, I think we shooters NEED to be more outspoken about these matter, and not just to the choir (shooters' bulletin boards).

One of the problems we have is that our sport and hobby is such a "secret" sport, to some extent. For folks who are not shooters and don't really know any gun nuts, such as us, our entire world virtually doesn't exist for them.

They just don't realize there are thousands of people at ranges shooting hundreds of thousands of rounds every day, and that there are thousands of people walking around their city armed and safe. It's not like golfing. Gun stores are not at the mall.

Everybody who carries a gun should write and call the manager/owner any establishment that prohibits firearms. I do this. WE need to let them know that many reasonable people carry firearms and we don't do business with people who don't trust us. Also, they are saying they are taking responsiblity for the results of somebody breaking into our vehicle and stealing a handgun, as well as my safety while I'm in his estabishment, of course.

 

[Sunray]

"...he had a big nose and multicolored hair?..." It was she crook. Some woman robbed a bank in TO over the weekend dressed as a clown. Hair, nose, white make up, the whole nine yards. Now relax, aside from waiting in a 40 minute line up, their not posting a sign a long way from the door isn't your fault. Then again, where did you expect them to put it?

 

[esheato]

To answer a few responses:

Esheato-hope you aren't losing any sleep over this one-those pangs of guilt might be construed as creeping liberalism.

Not at all. Creeping liberalism? Ouch, no need to call names. lol

i see you're from Marysville, is the CLEO there pro2A ?

Yes. Sutter and Yuba counties are about a 40 min drive from Sacramento, and the Sheriffs up here aren't outspokenly pro 2A, but they'll approve your request if you go through the hoops. Requirements are an all day course at the college including a pathetically easy shooting assessment ($60), along with the paperwork from the Sheriffs department, which includes background check and interview etc. (around $120 if i remember correctly). You couldn't pay someone enough in Sac. county to get a permit, but they'll give them out up here.

"...he had a big nose and multicolored hair?..." It was she crook. Some woman robbed a bank in TO over the weekend dressed as a clown. Hair, nose, white make up, the whole nine yards. Now relax, aside from waiting in a 40 minute line up, their not posting a sign a long way from the door isn't your fault. Then again, where did you expect them to put it?

My point exactly about the dressed up criminals. As far as the sign...you've got me on that one.

esheato...

 

[bogie]

Guys, don't forget about something here...

I think we'd all agree that we'd want everyone to be disarmed for a paintball game. For a simunition training session. For anything designed to get the adrenaline going, etc.

Back in the late seventies/early eighties in central Kentucky, we weren't so worried that someone would come into our haunted houses and shoot someone. What we WERE worried about was that someone would freak out, whip out a Buck folder, and try to gut one of the "monsters." We had people get hit, etc., usually by folks who'd normally be the nicest guy in the room, but the freakout factor goes a long way.

So, with a "scare" attraction, I'd _definitely_ want folks disarmed.