Nero Steptoe
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Your intelligence was insulted when your wife said, "I do," and "I will!"
So I'm thinking of trading in my Glock...
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Keith
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But the dealer price is probably around $400, or even less. Why should he buy a USED gun for the amount he can buy a NIB gun?
Those both sound like very generous offers.
There is actually a "Blue Book of Gun Values" - anyone have a copy handy to quote a price on a used Glock?
Keith
ShaiVong
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Yeah, I see what you guys are saying. Maybe "insulted" was the wrong world; how about underwhelmed? I expected something more in the $350 - $400 range, which i was offered elsewhere.
He said $300:
I put down $700-$300=$400 for the HK (+ Tax). How much do dealers pay for HK's?
He said $300:
I put down $700-$300=$400 for the HK (+ Tax). How much do dealers pay for HK's?
ShaiVong:
"Majic, unfortunately I'm not kidding. She coined the term herself. Doesnt like pistols because they are too easy to get to, to easy to handle, to accessable, to easy to conceal, to hard to regulate (I s**t you not) and thus too dangerous. Rifles are therefore safer because they are big and unwieldy, and... "
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Good luck with the HK.
Would your wife feel any better about an all stainless steel S&W M686 Plus, 4" or 6" .357Mag revolver? It is a fine "seven shooter".
Rich
"Majic, unfortunately I'm not kidding. She coined the term herself. Doesnt like pistols because they are too easy to get to, to easy to handle, to accessable, to easy to conceal, to hard to regulate (I s**t you not) and thus too dangerous. Rifles are therefore safer because they are big and unwieldy, and... "
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Good luck with the HK.
Would your wife feel any better about an all stainless steel S&W M686 Plus, 4" or 6" .357Mag revolver? It is a fine "seven shooter".
Rich
CZ52GUY
Member
I read this thread...
...and I get concerned when a THR member's spouse is quoted as using rhetoric that is indistinguishable from an MMM'er.
Don't get me wrong, every individual needs to do what they believe is right to keep the peace with their one and only...
...At the same time, if a THR member can't stand up for RKBA with their spouse, then where are we??
Bottom line, this gentleman needs to follow his consience and do what he believes is right, but I think ALL OF US need to educate our family members about the difference between "HCI speak", and reality.
Addressing the gentleman directly:
Your Glock is easier to conceal, but if you don't own it and control it's use, then who will? It is highly unlikely that your "act of appeasement" will materially change the dynamics of handgun ownership.
Your Glock carries far less punch that a rifle or shotgun making it far less deadly on a round by round basis.
Your Glock includes a firing pin safety that many older rifles and shotguns may not which makes an AD when dropping more likely with that class of weapon than the Glock.
Safe storage is critical regardless of type of firearm. If stored safely, there is no difference in accessibility between firearm types.
I would respectfully suggest that if the 2nd is to survive, we need to confront ignorance and fear where it lives, even in our own homes.
Best Regards,
CZ52'
...and I get concerned when a THR member's spouse is quoted as using rhetoric that is indistinguishable from an MMM'er.
Don't get me wrong, every individual needs to do what they believe is right to keep the peace with their one and only...
...At the same time, if a THR member can't stand up for RKBA with their spouse, then where are we??
Bottom line, this gentleman needs to follow his consience and do what he believes is right, but I think ALL OF US need to educate our family members about the difference between "HCI speak", and reality.
Addressing the gentleman directly:
Your Glock is easier to conceal, but if you don't own it and control it's use, then who will? It is highly unlikely that your "act of appeasement" will materially change the dynamics of handgun ownership.
Your Glock carries far less punch that a rifle or shotgun making it far less deadly on a round by round basis.
Your Glock includes a firing pin safety that many older rifles and shotguns may not which makes an AD when dropping more likely with that class of weapon than the Glock.
Safe storage is critical regardless of type of firearm. If stored safely, there is no difference in accessibility between firearm types.
I would respectfully suggest that if the 2nd is to survive, we need to confront ignorance and fear where it lives, even in our own homes.
Best Regards,
CZ52'
ShaiVong
Member
Don't get me wrong CZ, I'm not caving into my wife here. If I were to do everything that gave her (sic) peace of mind, probably all of my guns but the enfield would be gone.
I really understand what she's dealing with here. As I am in college full time, we live below her parents (not for free mind you, but we couldnt have as good a place for the same price around here). Being a woman (no offence to any RKBA women on this board, God love you), she bases most of these ideas on feelings and emotion. Her mother is a hopeless anti RKBA worrier. It's not that they hate guns per say, but she has been programed that if there is a gun in the house, somebody is going to be killed by it.
Don't even bother posting logical ripostes, because logic is far removed from this issue. Believe me i've tried.
She would rather me have a shotgun because many people like to skeet shoot, and that would give it a widely used recreational useage. In her opinion the glock is good for nothing but shooting people, which she finds disturbing.
I'm working on her slowly. I have the advantage in that I'm resolute and unwavering, and she is very impressionable. Give it a few more years and she will accept it, though I'm sure she'll never be enthusiastic.
This is the same woman who I posted about before, who refuses to shoot at silhouette targets above the knee, and has stoicly said that she would never risk harming another human being to save her own life or mine. She is a dyed in the wool sheeple. This thinking repulses me, and I will never really respect her pathetic parents for that, but it is what it is. I love her otherwise, and she is damned lucky she found me, or she would be completely helpless vs the world. I remind her daily
I really understand what she's dealing with here. As I am in college full time, we live below her parents (not for free mind you, but we couldnt have as good a place for the same price around here). Being a woman (no offence to any RKBA women on this board, God love you), she bases most of these ideas on feelings and emotion. Her mother is a hopeless anti RKBA worrier. It's not that they hate guns per say, but she has been programed that if there is a gun in the house, somebody is going to be killed by it.
Don't even bother posting logical ripostes, because logic is far removed from this issue. Believe me i've tried.
She would rather me have a shotgun because many people like to skeet shoot, and that would give it a widely used recreational useage. In her opinion the glock is good for nothing but shooting people, which she finds disturbing.
I'm working on her slowly. I have the advantage in that I'm resolute and unwavering, and she is very impressionable. Give it a few more years and she will accept it, though I'm sure she'll never be enthusiastic.
This is the same woman who I posted about before, who refuses to shoot at silhouette targets above the knee, and has stoicly said that she would never risk harming another human being to save her own life or mine. She is a dyed in the wool sheeple. This thinking repulses me, and I will never really respect her pathetic parents for that, but it is what it is. I love her otherwise, and she is damned lucky she found me, or she would be completely helpless vs the world. I remind her daily
CZ52GUY
Member
I wish you the very best...
...but 3 planes crashed into intended targets because of programmed people...one didn't because of principled patriots.
There is a consequence to that type of thinking that is DANGEROUS.
It isn't alternative, it isn't equivalent, that kind of thinking puts all of us in jeopardy.
It is fundamentalist pacifism that insists that aggressive criminal predators have an inalienable right to victimize. It shifts blame to those who resist predators and is symptomatic of the post-modernist upside down world we live in where the perp' is too often identified as a victim and the intended victim who resists becomes a criminal in the eyes of a warped society who has been programmed to subborn, and even embrace evil.
Each living creature on this planet is born with the instinct to preserve its life and those they hold dear. When this instinct is "educated" out of human beings, the consequences are tangible, and devastating.
I'm grateful to report that my wife would gladly give her life to save mine or the life of our daughter and EXPECTS that I would do the same.
I'm also grateful to report that my wife would TAKE A LIFE to save our daughter, herself, or me and is PROUD that I would do the same for them.
I completely respect your individual right to choose a lifes partner and deal with this issue as you believe appropriate.
The philosophy described is however, extremely dangerous to us all, and that philosophy I contend, must be confronted in the strongest possible terms.
Sometimes it isn't about persuasion, sometimes it is about steadfastly holding to ones convictions.
How you address this specific circumstance, is obviously up to you.
Best wishes,
CZ52'
...but 3 planes crashed into intended targets because of programmed people...one didn't because of principled patriots.
There is a consequence to that type of thinking that is DANGEROUS.
It isn't alternative, it isn't equivalent, that kind of thinking puts all of us in jeopardy.
It is fundamentalist pacifism that insists that aggressive criminal predators have an inalienable right to victimize. It shifts blame to those who resist predators and is symptomatic of the post-modernist upside down world we live in where the perp' is too often identified as a victim and the intended victim who resists becomes a criminal in the eyes of a warped society who has been programmed to subborn, and even embrace evil.
Each living creature on this planet is born with the instinct to preserve its life and those they hold dear. When this instinct is "educated" out of human beings, the consequences are tangible, and devastating.
I'm grateful to report that my wife would gladly give her life to save mine or the life of our daughter and EXPECTS that I would do the same.
I'm also grateful to report that my wife would TAKE A LIFE to save our daughter, herself, or me and is PROUD that I would do the same for them.
I completely respect your individual right to choose a lifes partner and deal with this issue as you believe appropriate.
The philosophy described is however, extremely dangerous to us all, and that philosophy I contend, must be confronted in the strongest possible terms.
Sometimes it isn't about persuasion, sometimes it is about steadfastly holding to ones convictions.
How you address this specific circumstance, is obviously up to you.
Best wishes,
CZ52'
ShaiVong
Member
Have you ever read the book "Naked Empire"? Its the latest novel by Terry Goodkind. The reason why its applicable is the entire book is basically about this nation of people who the protaganist comes within contact with. They are called the "Bandakharians (sic)". It's a sword and sorcery type of book, though rated M rather than E like LOTR or that little kid sorceror.
Anywho; The story is that a long time ago (in terms of present day of the book), a thinking developed that criminals were simply misunderstood, and that violence would solve nothing, only to create a cycle. These people refused to use force against predators. A great wizard saw how dangerous such idyllic and naive ideas were, and that such people were a real threat to any nation, as they would weaken it from inside. Thus he gathered them all up and sealed them off from the rest of the world.
Eventually the barriers fail, and suddenly this pathetic little pocket of pacifists who from birth are taught to be sickened at the thought of violence and force are exposed to a rather violent and brutish empire, which is raping and pillaging their way across the known world. Our protaganist (who would make an execellent moderator here at THR in the edged weapons section), must make these people defend themselves.
Now that I've completely mussed it up, I recomend in the strongest possible terms that you guys at least pick it up from the library. I have to say it moved me deeply. It hammered again and again the importance of understanding the difference between good and evil, malace and defence, and the importance of standing up for what is right and just. A work of art.
I think it helped my wife alittle as well, as she loves the series of books that it is in.
Just give me time .
Anywho; The story is that a long time ago (in terms of present day of the book), a thinking developed that criminals were simply misunderstood, and that violence would solve nothing, only to create a cycle. These people refused to use force against predators. A great wizard saw how dangerous such idyllic and naive ideas were, and that such people were a real threat to any nation, as they would weaken it from inside. Thus he gathered them all up and sealed them off from the rest of the world.
Eventually the barriers fail, and suddenly this pathetic little pocket of pacifists who from birth are taught to be sickened at the thought of violence and force are exposed to a rather violent and brutish empire, which is raping and pillaging their way across the known world. Our protaganist (who would make an execellent moderator here at THR in the edged weapons section), must make these people defend themselves.
Now that I've completely mussed it up, I recomend in the strongest possible terms that you guys at least pick it up from the library. I have to say it moved me deeply. It hammered again and again the importance of understanding the difference between good and evil, malace and defence, and the importance of standing up for what is right and just. A work of art.
I think it helped my wife alittle as well, as she loves the series of books that it is in.
Just give me time
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