So I've got a year...

[philobeddoe]

I think the governor overplayed his hand.

 

[GiorgioG]

I think the governor overplayed his hand.

Howso? The entire state is corrupt. Game over. The NRA, etc won't do squat...and any federal lawsuit will get delayed, etc - especially since the state has more or less unlimited funds to defend itself with.

The reality is, it's time to get out of NY for those that are left (in Upstate NY.)

 

[9MMare]

I'm so pissed off right now. With the stroke of a pen I'm now a criminal?

How the hell is anyone going to enforce a magazine ban? 10 rounds is now high capacity? This is silly.

And I'm reading conflicting info. This says that the 10rd mags are grandfathered in but you can only put 7 rounds in it, LMAO

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/...-but-no-deal-for-vote-tonight/#comment-575938

I'm really sorry. You have my sympathies.

I dont really feel safe from similar actions here...just waiting.

 

[radiotom]

Quit complaining and contact your state firearms associations and NRA and ACLU and start to work on making this the quickest overturn in history.

I think you could have done without the first two words of that statement and came off as much more professional, being that you are a mod and all...

 

[GiorgioG]

There's no need to bicker. The fact is many of us have been contacting our reps, associations, etc. The state is corrupt - that's all there is to it. The politicians are only out to keep their jobs or move on up. The good 'ole boys network is in full effect.

New York's government is rotten and I for one am sick of paying insane taxes and having my rights taken away. Even though I'm leaving this forsaken wasteland - it irks me to no end that we're being criminalized for possessing legally obtained private property.

Screw them - NC will take (less) of my tax dollars and give me more freedom. Vote with your money and your feet and get out. You can't win.

When I was young I told my parents I wasn't staying in Upstate NY because I wasn't going to wait 25 years for things to turn around....here I am 20 years later and things are worse than ever. Glad I'll have the chance to live free elsewhere.

 

[19-3Ben]

I think you could have done without the first two words of that statement and came off as much more professional, being that you are a mod and all...

The mods have seen so much whining, and complaining in the past month, i really can't blame him. People do need to quit complaining and channel that energy more positively.

 

[Tinpig]

This proposed law is so over-reaching that a good argument can be made that it breaches the lines of the Heller/McDonald cases. I expect it to be instantly challenged in court.

You'd think so. However the summary of the Bill that I read actually referenced Heller as supporting precedent.

While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms,
the Supreme Court has said that that right is "not unlimited."
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 595, 626 (2008). In the
Heller case, the Supreme Court explained, "nothing in our opinion
should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the
possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws
forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as
schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and
qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." 554 U.S. at 626-27.
The Court also recognized there is a "historical tradition of
prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual' weapons."

Tinpig

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

You'd think so. However the summary of the Bill that I read actually referenced Heller as supporting precedent.

Tinpig

Yeah, but much of what they want to do doesn't have anything at all to do with "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

We (and NY) already has plenty of laws on the books already to deal with these things.

 

[SouthernYankee]

You can have the APPROVED gun of your choice...

Any configuration, caliber or style as long as what is discharged at the muzzle is either water, cork or (shudder) a marshmallow. Please adhere to our duly passed laws, listen to your officials and you will be safe. We are here to serve society (group) and maintain order (societal control) with expert (our beliefs) direction (you don't know how to care for yourself). Just be happy we're here to care for you, smile be happy. When the end is here for you, it will be quick, after all, we are humane and caring.

 

[Grassman]

I lived in NY (upstate) for 50 years and chose to vote with my feet. I took my "in demand" job and relocated to El Paso. The best part is that I got an instant 7% raise....no state income tax. To hell with NYC, Andrew Cuomo, and Mayor B. I am now enjoying legal suppressors, autos, and a great community of people.

Vote with your feet and hurt them with economics!

Welcome to Texas, you won't miss that NY at all.

 

[ILikeLead]

So I guess 9 shot 22 revolvers are now going to be outlawed???

 

[LiveLife]

Vote with your feet!

Why do New Yorkers need to move? And you can't run forever ...


This stupid law won't help law abiding citizens better protect their lives! Imagine a lady getting raped/killed because several intruder broke into her house and she ran out of bullets after 7 rounds!

If you want to protect your lives and lives of your family members, STAND UP AND FIGHT! If you are pissed off, let your law makers know how you feel and let them know you'll be voting them out for doing this!

Can't imagine owners of .22 caliber pistols/rifles with 10 round magazines now becoming criminals! ... Really?

 

[Matthew Temkin]

We can still have ten round magazines, but can only put 7 rounds into it.
I sure hope the bad guys will do the same.
As a N.Y.C. resident it will be interesting to see if the N.Y.P.D will require FACTORY 7 round magazines for handguns.
If so my G19, Browning HP and M&P 45 will soon be illegal.
I am planning on leaving N.Y.S. in a few years--this is just icing on the cake.
It will be challenged--and a few N.Y.S. legislators who voted no are going to start a petition to repeal the gun banning aspects of the bill so...

 

[LiveLife]

I love the quote from the Marine who wrote to Feinstein ...

Unconstitutional laws aren't laws

 

[Fryerpower]

I don't why they didn't make it ten. a lot of companies already make 10 round magazines as an option, because of California's magazine laws. What, is New York trying to one up us in stupidity?

It already was 10 in NY. The GOAL is to eventually totally disarm everyone in the State and the US, one step at a time.

It is not stupidity...it is malicious intent.

Jim

 

[Fryerpower]

We can still have ten round magazines, but can only put 7 rounds into it.

Only for the next year. After that they are illegal to have.

I sure hope the bad guys will do the same.
As a N.Y.C. resident it will be interesting to see if the N.Y.P.D will require FACTORY 7 round magazines for handguns.
If so my G19, Browning HP and M&P 45 will soon be illegal.

As long as it does not have a magazine interlock you can still use it as a single shot!

Jim

"Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge."

 

[Jeff H]

How in the hell can they ban pre '94 mags?????? Pretty sure that is unconstitutional without compensation. I smell a court case coming.

How many amendments does New York ignore?
The 2nd and 14th are now just suggestions that can be ignored at the whim of the state government?

 

[303tom]

I think you could have done without the first two words of that statement and came off as much more professional, being that you are a mod and all...

I agree with (hso); Quit complaining & get off your back sides & do something about it.......

 

[Prince Yamato]

How in the hell can they ban pre '94 mags?????? Pretty sure that is unconstitutional without compensation. I smell a court case coming.

How many amendments does New York ignore?
The 2nd and 14th are now just suggestions that can be ignored at the whim of the state government?

They're going to say, "you had a year to sell them. It was the hottest selling year for gun products in history. How did you not sell anything?"

 

[Jim Watson]

It just goes to show how hypocritical the politicians are.
A year to "sell them out of state."
So an 8 shot magazine is too dangerous for New York but it is ok to pass off elsewhere.

NOTE: The bill has passed the state House but not the Senate. There may be changes and we don't know the detailed language yet anyhow. Your Garand with 8 shot fixed magazine may be legal. Maybe. Also your 10 shot lever action. Maybe.

 

[mastiffhound]

Getting rid of 10 round mags gets rid of most firearms they fit in. NY will be a state of 1911s and shotguns with a few bolt actions. If they can't ban them they will make them useless. If you have a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds your are a criminal. That is the plan, period. These guys are pushing hard.

I wouldn't be surprised if people with FFL's start charging crazy rates to transfer firearms to buyers in other states. When the ban does go into effect those same FFL holders, all firearm companies, and firearm accessory companies will leave in the biggest exodus since Moses. Then anybody who really truly believes in the 2nd Amendment and wants their firearm rights will leave. It will be a state of the Rich, the Polititians, the criminals (some of those will be people that didn't leave and have these high cap 10 round mags) and the welfare receiving voters. They will have one notable distinction after that:

THE WORLDS BIGGEST CESSPOOL!

 

[Old Fuff]

how is this going to effect the suppliers located there. will outfits like GunPartsCorp be able to retain their inventory in state or will they be forced to move.

I suspect outfits such as Numrich (Gun Parts Corp.) and Freedom Group will be allowed to stay in business as long as they don't sell prohibited items within New York.

This of course presumes that they want to stay. Certain legislators may get a shock if they do relocate and take jobs and tax payments with them.

 

[22-rimfire]

I hope all of the firearm related businesses make announcements immediately and move out of NY (except of course regular dealers). Rules have consequences... where did I hear that?

Easy answers are not always the right answers.

It is time to realize that the federal government and many state governments are not "for the people and by the people". One more "tiny cut"....

 

[TonyDedo]

I suspect there will be a lot of gunsmiths offering NY magazine services. There are already gunsmiths in CA who will weld permanent blocks into high cap magazines for guns which don't have CA compliant magazines (i.e. Springfield XDM).

 

[sidheshooter]

I think that I will write to, say, the Post Falls, ID and Nampa, ID chamber of commerces encouraging them to offer the same sort of incentives to NY firearms-related companies that got companies like Buck knives to relocate from CA to ID. One never knows.