So what exactly happened today?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by The_Next_Generation, Apr 17, 2013.

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  1. AlexanderA
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    AlexanderA Member

    Feb 27, 2011
    This whole thing was about positioning for the 2014 elections. The antis fervently believe that gun control is a winning issue for them; the pro-gun side fervently believes the opposite. We'll see who's right. I personally think that the only guaranteed result is more geographic polarization.
  2. Beach Nut

    Beach Nut Member

    Jun 25, 2010
    North Carolina
    As many of my fellow posters have said, we have won this battle but
    the struggle continues to protect the Second Amendment. Seeing Joe
    Biden with his lower lip poked out a mile at the President's news conference
    was priceless! I watched the President's news conference with the volume
    turned down; I cringe just about any time I hear him speak.
  3. HankR

    HankR Member

    Jan 14, 2011
    upper midwest
    What's with the flag behind him? In particular, does our flag now have a gold stripe along the bottom edge, or does Barry now have his own flag?
  4. PRM

    PRM Member

    Apr 14, 2008
    I agree that this is positioning for the 2014 mid-terms. Why do you think the POTUS was so angry. This was supposed to pass the democratically controlled senate and fail in the Republican controlled house so they could take the blame. The POTUS can't even get some things past his own and that is what caused the tantrum.
  5. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Member

    Jul 21, 2008
    Lexington, SC
    Must be they figured out not much of that "90%" lives in MT!
  6. cor_man257

    cor_man257 Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    The inaccuracy coming straight from the President's mouth is insulting.
  7. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
    Pay close attention to post #30.

    I am fortunate enough to have lawmakers from my state who don't need reminding. The NRA has even got our lone democrat pretty well house-trained. But I am glad to talk to them and ask them what I can do to help anyway.

    If I lived in CA, honestly, I wouldn't waste too much energy on B-Box and Di-Fei.

    But if i lived in Colorado, I would work at it non-stop. Even after recent setbacks, they are still very much in play. The recent surprise they pulled on us needs to wake them up and make people realize that the fate of their state is being decided RIGHT NOW. Colorado might be the most critical battle right now.
  8. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Member

    Oct 25, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Agree with this.

    And what is the natural outcome of this? Additionally, these states that believe in control and not freedom are failing economically, the free states are thriving...

    How is this not going to set up some sort of conflict between the states? Economic sanctions against other states? Some states signing laws bonding them together economically?
  9. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Member

    Feb 19, 2009
    S.E. PA.
    At about 4:30 EST on 1210 WPHT out of Philly, Pat Toomey will be on the radio. Should be interesting.
  10. 16in50calNavalRifle

    16in50calNavalRifle Member

    Mar 7, 2009
    I second Cosmoline's succinct strategy outline, with regard to supporting reasonable candidates and incumbents and trying to unseat unreasonable incumbents. In the western/mountain states, in general, his point about "of either party" applies and is important (to the poster up-thread from MT, your two senators, I think embody this pattern - western/mountain Dems have long been reasonable on "gun control" issues).

    The "either party" approach, sadly, is hardly applicable elsewhere any more. Certainly not on the coasts (outside the SE). Which is not to say the GOP types are "reliable" in any sense - on the contrary. Just that while many GOP types these days will easily go along with further shredding of the constitution, evisceration of the rule of law, and indefensible liberty-killing and ineffective "solutions" to insoluble problems, they are far less likely to INITIATE such deplorable actions (esp. in the "gun control" arena). Take CA. A ridiculously mismanaged and mis-governed place, insolvent, in many respects lawless, firmly in the grip of pseudo-science, racism, and greed (public sector greed). But it's hard to imagine many of the dozens of absurd and unconstitutional "gun control" laws being on the books if there were a GOP majority in either house for the last two decades. The GOP is far less reliable than it was - the Dems (with exceptions) are unrecognizable (and not just on "gun control"). So I'd add that important caveat to Cosmoline's sound observation.

    CA might (I said might) have a rather odd situation that may mitigate the damage (for now). Gov. Brown, certainly an interesting character among contemporary political figures, has always shown a striking appreciation for both the constitutional and practical problems of "gun control" ideas. As attorney general he filed a supportive brief on a key SCOTUS 2nd Amendment case (can't recall if Heller or MacDonald) - that had to cause a stir among many of his very dim and dangerous supporters. A friend tells me he also made a public comment in December not long after the CT events, something to the effect that "CA does not need any more gun control laws". (I have not documented that).

    The last few years have removed nearly 100% of my confidence that I understood and could forecast (to some degree) the political behavior of the country - after decades spent inside the Beltway actually gaining my understanding first-hand (including years working in the Senate). Even before 2008, things started to seem surreal. Of course 2008 and after have offered one jaw-dropping, pinch-myself-am-I-really-seeing-this moment after another. Now I don't recognize most of the country, and remain in a state of shock and disgust even years into the nightmare.

    I speculated a few weeks back to friends that the last remaining "third rail" of US politics might just be "gun control". So far, on a national level, it seems to be. For now.
  11. lilguy

    lilguy Member

    Apr 27, 2008
    NE Illinois, just outside Gulag.
    This will never be over. We can never rest. Our enemies grow stronger every year, with Bloombergs billions in their corner they have resources to attack our supporters at election time. Complacency will kills us off faster than anything else.
  12. Texshooter

    Texshooter Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    IF the media will portray that.

    The media has, in a relative fashion, never given obama the grief deserved over doing so little while controlling both the house & senate.

    WE have to find ways to get the story out to neutral Americans
  13. bk42261

    bk42261 Member

    Sep 10, 2010
    We people in Maine need to be getting active NOW!!
    Both Collins and King were all in favor of this crap,and, in the Congress, we have Michaud and Pingree.
    Let's get together and find some REAL 2nd Amendment supporters to run.
  14. TheSaint

    TheSaint Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    The People's Republik Of Kommiefornia
    If you want to get people involved in Maine, remind them that Windham Weapons brought 65 jobs back to the state after Bushmaster was sold. Beyond selling people the 2nd Amendment story, sell them the success story of small and medium businesses that are employing our fellow citizens in this horrible economy!
  15. A-FIXER

    A-FIXER Member

    Jan 26, 2009

    According to Wilkow the 90% is from a MSNBC POLL OF 1007 people, out of that bunch only 27 republicans, the rest dems and was a skewed question and wholla... you have your 90+% it was tonights show..
  16. spoogie

    spoogie Member

    Jan 13, 2011
  17. husbandofaromanian

    husbandofaromanian Member

    Feb 3, 2008
    Nashville, Tn
    I think this was a very big setback for the left. They spent a lot of political capital on this and lost.
  18. Diamondback6

    Diamondback6 Member

    Apr 30, 2006
    The cesspool of the Upper Left Coast
    Not unless we remember in November 2014, and boot a buttload of those who voted for this crap from office. We need to make it so that outside DiFi and Upchuck's turf 2A infringement becomes as radioactive as someone wanting to resurrect Jim Crow...
  19. k_dawg

    k_dawg Member

    Sep 11, 2005
    Ironically, the UBC amendment would have watered down the UBC requirements in the current bill. So in a way, the GOP and a few democrats voted to keep it 'strong'.

    Harry Reid was the one who pulled the bill.
  20. mgmorden

    mgmorden Member

    May 22, 2009
    Charleston, South Carolina
    I noticed a decent trend in the data: for the 33 that are up for grabs, if you look at the 2008 results almost all the races that were close, almost all went to Democrats.

    If you look at the latest predictions charts too, you'll see that all current Republican states are listed as either Safe Republicans or Likely Republicans.

    Everyone that falls into either "Leans" category or as a Tossup is currently a Democrat, and one analysis is even putting West Virginia into the "Likely Republican" category.

    Or to be basic, most of the "swing seats" in this are currently held by Democrats. Unless something major happens I think we have a great opportunity to improve our position come 2014.
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