kBob
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At some point in about every one of the daily new M-91 series threads some one brings up the kick of those rifles, and especially the M38, M44 and M91/59 carbines firing surplus ammo.
Yester day I posted about firning a few rounds of the plastic cored training ammo in an M44 and it got me thinking.
First some are gonna say I am posting in the wrong forum, but I believe it is useful to post here in Rifle Country first.
What about reduced or mid range loads or even squib loads from the Mosin Nagants?
I know Lee and likely others make lead bullet molds for casting .311 or so bullets using .308 gas checks.....anybody used some?
Are the bores too rough for even linotype metal cast bullets? I am thinking that for the casual plinker a 150 to 200 grain cast lead gaschecked bullet trucking along at 1400 fps or so is going to be much more kind and gentle than say that old Chinese Heavy MG ammo in the M38.
I note as well that the rifle match shooters of years past used "mid-range" loadings of .30-06 using metal jacketed bullets of normal weigh loaded down to around 2000 fps or so for the expressed purpose of reducing recoil and recoil fatigue and decreasing recovery speed in rapid fire.
Shoot, consider loading a M43 type 122-124 grain bullet meant for the AK or SKS to normal M43 velocities in the heavy old bolt guns. Or perhaps a SP jacket 110 grain .30 Carbine bullet to match those velosities.
Hmm a .30-30 flat point at a bit over normal .30-30 velocity for the round (say halfway between normal .30-30 loads and the Mosin loads for that weight bullet) sounds like venison on the table.
How about squib loads from a Mosin Nagant? Say a just about subsonic lead carbine bullet or a lead bullet meant for a .32 S&W Long or H&R Magnum?
Since the 7.62x54R is a rimmed cartridge I would think. or guess, there would be little concern about shoulder setback using the lower power and pressure loads.
It occurs to me that having ammo that provides minute of soda can accuracy at plinking ranges and the recoil of a .30 carbine or less might make the M91 series even more popular for the cheap guys, begining collectors, survivalist and what have you.
I wonder if those nice boxer primed reloadable cases might seem worth the expense after their fifth reloading as mid range cartridges or tenth as a squib load?
Anyone have any experience with any of this?
Oh yeah and you Styer M 95s in 8x56R might want to consider trying something like this with that "expensive" Hornady brass. Might have to have some one custom up a mold to cast those .329 bullets Might have to go with a plain base and low velocity. Wonder if one can roll up paper patched bullets from .323 or smaller lead bullets?
Thoughts?
The above mussings on cartridge and bullet conversions was meant as a comon BS session type brain storming event and not intended to provide information directly used to modify cartridge or bullets or to load the same
Do not work from any figures I may have transcription errors in from sources that might themselves be flawed.
Do your own research and depend upon that.
I am not responsible for any errors you may make in conveting ammunition components or loading the same.
-Bob Hollingsworth
Yester day I posted about firning a few rounds of the plastic cored training ammo in an M44 and it got me thinking.
First some are gonna say I am posting in the wrong forum, but I believe it is useful to post here in Rifle Country first.
What about reduced or mid range loads or even squib loads from the Mosin Nagants?
I know Lee and likely others make lead bullet molds for casting .311 or so bullets using .308 gas checks.....anybody used some?
Are the bores too rough for even linotype metal cast bullets? I am thinking that for the casual plinker a 150 to 200 grain cast lead gaschecked bullet trucking along at 1400 fps or so is going to be much more kind and gentle than say that old Chinese Heavy MG ammo in the M38.
I note as well that the rifle match shooters of years past used "mid-range" loadings of .30-06 using metal jacketed bullets of normal weigh loaded down to around 2000 fps or so for the expressed purpose of reducing recoil and recoil fatigue and decreasing recovery speed in rapid fire.
Shoot, consider loading a M43 type 122-124 grain bullet meant for the AK or SKS to normal M43 velocities in the heavy old bolt guns. Or perhaps a SP jacket 110 grain .30 Carbine bullet to match those velosities.
Hmm a .30-30 flat point at a bit over normal .30-30 velocity for the round (say halfway between normal .30-30 loads and the Mosin loads for that weight bullet) sounds like venison on the table.
How about squib loads from a Mosin Nagant? Say a just about subsonic lead carbine bullet or a lead bullet meant for a .32 S&W Long or H&R Magnum?
Since the 7.62x54R is a rimmed cartridge I would think. or guess, there would be little concern about shoulder setback using the lower power and pressure loads.
It occurs to me that having ammo that provides minute of soda can accuracy at plinking ranges and the recoil of a .30 carbine or less might make the M91 series even more popular for the cheap guys, begining collectors, survivalist and what have you.
I wonder if those nice boxer primed reloadable cases might seem worth the expense after their fifth reloading as mid range cartridges or tenth as a squib load?
Anyone have any experience with any of this?
Oh yeah and you Styer M 95s in 8x56R might want to consider trying something like this with that "expensive" Hornady brass. Might have to have some one custom up a mold to cast those .329 bullets Might have to go with a plain base and low velocity. Wonder if one can roll up paper patched bullets from .323 or smaller lead bullets?
Thoughts?
The above mussings on cartridge and bullet conversions was meant as a comon BS session type brain storming event and not intended to provide information directly used to modify cartridge or bullets or to load the same
Do not work from any figures I may have transcription errors in from sources that might themselves be flawed.
Do your own research and depend upon that.
I am not responsible for any errors you may make in conveting ammunition components or loading the same.
-Bob Hollingsworth
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