SOG Snaypeskaya Vintkova Mosina

[stubbicatt]

On a fluke I ordered up one of the Mosin Nagant sniper rifles from SOG. These come from Ukraine, where a scope of recent vintage is mated with a Mosin Nagant rifle. The one I received appears to be unfired. It has a steel mount. Optics are clean and clear. Trigger is nice. Wood is easily excellent, bearing no dings or dents. This is a very nice rifle, with barrel date of 1943. Has Ishevsk markings all around, with the old style bow and arrow marking on the floorplate, with the triangle/arrow markings elsewhere. All numbers are stamped and match, with the scope mount bearing the serial number of the rifle. It is bearing the diver's flag indicating a re-arsenal at some point in its life.

Have no idea how well it shoots, or anything like that, but if the rest are as nice as this one, folks would do well to get one. Where else can you get a hunting rifle this nice with optics for less than $500? (Well... the Savage is probably a better rifle for about the same price, but at least the ammo for this one is still relatively inexpensive.)

 

[jws527]

Don't you mean a "whim?" A fluke would be a fortuitous accident...

I have a standard 91/30 coming in on Monday. I'm already familiar with the German practice of selecting unusually accurate examples of the standard battle rifle (e.g. K98k) and equipping them with scopes for sniper use; I wonder if the Russians did the same thing, or if they simply attached scopes to a select number of rifles and relied upon the improved optics alone (without regard for how those particular rifles physically performed).

In any case, I agree that they're a bargain - plus a scoped Nagant is a lot more interesting than standard hunting fare, in my opinion.

 

[sharkhunter2018]

I believe the Russians did take select rifles to be converted into snipers.

I picked one up last year. I still don't know how well it shoots, other than a general idea. I've toyed with the idea of handloading for it and possibly squeeze more from it. But, that is still up in the air.

Pics?

 

[hobgob]

Been thinking bout gettin a mosin sniper for myself after my garand gets here from cmp, where did you get yours from?

 

[Kind of Blued]

Been thinking bout gettin a mosin sniper for myself after my garand gets here from cmp, where did you get yours from?

Buddy, those aren't even "close-reading" skills... Read the title and the first sentence.

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

You are goint to have fun shooting that mosin with the PU scope, I did. If you can shoot that thing then You can shoot anything. What I mean it takes some serious shooting skills into play to really pull it off.
I shot close groups with mine. Remember that when that scope is zeroed in and you are looking through it you will notice a faint image of the front sight. That image will help you with your "chin" weld. Yes I said chin weld. The scope sits higher.
Slug the barrel and micrometer the round to the grooves of the barrel and it will give you an idea how well off the barrel is. Czech light ball might be the ticket. Mosins are particular on the type of ammunition.
If you reload use British .303 and good 7.62X54R brass.

 

[stubbicatt]

Don't you mean a "whim?" A fluke would be a fortuitous accident

... "That sir, is a form of pedantry, up with which, I will not put!" (Winston Churchill) Dang dude you must be the kind of guy who can find the single fly speck on a DaVinci painting.

If one can believe anything posted here on the net, supposedly the rifles were selected at the arsenal due to the better accuracy they demonstrated, and were forwarded to have the optics installed. The fit and finish of the wood on this rifle is really spectacular. It seems as if whoever constructed it really took their time. 'Course it has been rearsenaled, so perhaps these things were done then. When I compare it to the other excellent condition Mosin Nagant rifles I've owned, or held, this is just tighter. The barrel bands do not wobble even a little bit. There is no trace of rust or any pitting in the barrel at all, nor is there any of the powder blasted steel which you often see right in the throat of the rifle. The trigger has a noticeable feel of a two stage design, with some slack, and then a clean break.

If it shoots as well as it seems it ought to do, I will be quite content. A person can shoot 30 rounds out of an AR15 or similar rifle, and have exhausted one magazine. Step back, insert a second or a third, and keep going. 30 rounds through a Mosin is just about enough for a day's fun. It should be a lot of fun, and since I bought all that Czech silvertip a few years ago for 7 cents a round, should still be relatively inexpensive to shoot, too.

 

[AmishFury]

first of all keep in mind that these rifles SOG sells are not snipers they are fake snipers or "repros" a normal infantry rifle was drilled and tapped and a reproduction scope and mount were installed.. pray they went back to using steel mounts.. the aluminum mounts they have been using are known to break

a true sniper would have been hand selected for accuracy then extra work was done to improve accuracy the scope would be mounted then zeroed (zeroing was done with the mount... adjusting the 2 elevation screws and grinding of the mount)

and no mosin sniper had a 2 stage trigger and a true sniper would be sold for no less than $800 ever since rguns got some in and did really good business selling theirs at that price point (if they haven't sold out they are running low)

 

[stubbicatt]

 

[Ash]

No Russian Mosin Sniper, Finnish Mosin's of most flavors have two-stage triggers.

Ash

 

[AmishFury]

fine roll your eyes when someone who knows what he's talking about tries to give you some information...

i've only personally inspected a fair few genuine snipers including one side mount PEM (to see a PE or PEM up close is a rare treat) and a couple of Hungarian M/52 snipers (not to mention countless detailed photos of snipers owned by other collectors) as well as more than a fair few of the fakes from SOG, Cole's, Century, MGS, etc...

 

[sharkhunter2018]

the aluminum mounts they have been using are known to break

+1 on that. The base on my Century PU broke about a month ago. I was putting the scope on for a range day and it snapped just at the base of the thumb screw. The rifle and scope itself are awesome and I love shooting it, but the aluminum scope mount and base sucks.

 

[stubbicatt]

Good thing then that the SOG offerings have steel mounts.

AmishFury, I find it interesting that you haven't even seen this rifle yet you know more about it than I do, you offer opinions without fact. So I discount your contribution, as I am free to do!

1) Rguns sells their "non matching" versions for $800. For all you know, or I know, these were assembled in exactly the same manner as mine has been... take an "ex sniper" and refit it with a non matching scope. (Or maybe not... I admit I don't know.)

2) The Rguns matching Izzys sell for $1000, if you can stand to talk to the grumpy dude who answers the phone.

3) This rifle has a steel scope base and mount. Not aluminum as you suggest.

4) Please tell us *exactly* what "extra work" were done on the "selected" Mosin Nagants to make them more accurate? Glass bedding? New crown? What exactly?

5) Tell me *exactly* how you know for certain that the rifle which I have is a standard infantry rifle, not an "ex sniper" or some other variant? You don't know, do you?

 

[Ash]

Okay, show a photo and I will TELL you if you have a real or a fake or a re-sniper. It is easy to tell. It really is. The SOG rifles are not real. They are fakes. They are a cheap alternative that tend to shoot pretty good, but they are fakes. They aren't re-snipered rifles, save by chance. I have never encountered one that was re-snipered. I cannot say much about the RGuns except that they are not outright fakes.

Ash

 

[cracked butt]

Every $500 mosin sniper out there is a put-together. Still a fun rifle, but only a replica of the real thing.

 

[AmishFury]

AmishFury, I find it interesting that you haven't even seen this rifle yet you know more about it than I do, you offer opinions without fact. So I discount your contribution, as I am free to do!

i don't need to see your specific rifle to know what SOG is selling

1) Rguns sells their "non matching" versions for $800. For all you know, or I know, these were assembled in exactly the same manner as mine has been... take an "ex sniper" and refit it with a non matching scope. (Or maybe not... I admit I don't know.)

rguns snipers are rifles that NEVER left their sniper configuration they have been refurbed in soviet arsenals many years ago

2) The Rguns matching Izzys sell for $1000, if you can stand to talk to the grumpy dude who answers the phone.

must be a new pricing scheme since people have been getting "matching" refurbs at the $800 price point maybe now they they are running low they decided to go through and cherry pick

3) This rifle has a steel scope base and mount. Not aluminum as you suggest.

i didn't suggest yours had an aluminum mount i said i hoped for your sake they went back to the steel mounts... for a while all the repro mounts being used on these rifles were aluminum

4) Please tell us *exactly* what "extra work" were done on the "selected" Mosin Nagants to make them more accurate? Glass bedding? New crown? What exactly?

triggers improved (slightly lighter and smoother) barrel channel in stock was often sanded to help float the barrel i've heard reports of some having shims in the stock

5) Tell me *exactly* how you know for certain that the rifle which I have is a standard infantry rifle, not an "ex sniper" or some other variant? You don't know, do you?

i hate to quote myself when someone asks a question i already answered

i've only personally inspected a fair few genuine snipers including one side mount PEM (to see a PE or PEM up close is a rare treat) and a couple of Hungarian M/52 snipers (not to mention countless detailed photos of snipers owned by other collectors) as well as more than a fair few of the fakes from SOG, Cole's, Century, MGS, etc...

to help you i bolded the parts that are important to your last question