Soldier overwhelmed by support since arrest.

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To me it looks like a good case for jury nullification. :D

Soldier overwhelmed by support since arrest
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0416haab16.html#

Robert Anglen
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 16, 2005 12:00 AM

Patrick Haab, the Army reservist arrested on suspicion of holding seven undocumented immigrants at gunpoint at an Arizona rest stop, said he is overwhelmed and encouraged by an outpouring of legal, financial and moral support.

On Thursday night, a Cave Creek locksmith put up $10,000 to free Haab on bail from a Maricopa County jail, where he had been held since Sunday on seven felony counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Offers of money, room and board, free legal assistance and pledges of solidarity are coming from sources who are not only upset about illegal immigration but others who say Haab acted in self-defense and are angry that authorities want to prosecute him.

"I think he is getting a raw deal," said Bisbee resident Ronald Stone, a retired Army chief warrant officer and Vietnam veteran. "I want to do all I can for him . . . As far as I am concerned, he was defending his country."

Haab's arrest comes as tensions build along the Arizona-Mexico border between law enforcement and residents who say the government isn't doing enough to stop illegal immigration.

Haab, who turned 24 this month, said Friday that he was not trying to make any statements about illegal immigration when he ordered seven men out of their vehicle and told them to lie face down on the ground at the Sentinel rest stop on Interstate 8.

He said his military training took over when the seven men "rushed" him out of the darkness at the rest area, where he had stopped to relieve his dog. He explained this week that the men climbed inside a Chevrolet Suburban when they saw his gun and he followed them to the SUV, took the vehicle keys and forced them out. Haab said he called 911 as soon as he had the situation under control and a dispatcher told him to do what he thought was best until authorities arrived.

"I have put out the real story," he said, adding that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has made this out to be a case of vigilante justice. "I was acting in self defense."

Arpaio has said repeatedly that Haab's story doesn't make sense and has noted several contradictions. Among those: Haab's claim that he was being attacked even though none of the men made aggressive moves; Haab's claim that he was afraid for his life even though he followed the men to their car; Haab's claim that he did not know the men were undocumented immigrants though he later said he believed they thought he was a Border Patrol agent.

Arpaio has said Haab's actions were illegal and dangerous and he had no right to take the law into his own hands.

All seven immigrants, who were being held at a detention facility in Yuma, asked to press charges against Haab. The driver has also been charged with human smuggling.

Bill Weingard, a locksmith at Cave Creek Lock, said he felt compelled to help Haab and waited for hours at the jail Thursday to post his bail. He believed Haab was a scapegoat and said he didn't want authorities to make an example of him because of the border issues.

"I really appreciate it," said Haab, an Iraq war veteran assigned to the 415th Civil Affairs Battalion from Kalamazoo, Mich. "It makes me feel better about this country."

Haab, who has lived in Arizona since January, was only weeks away from a volunteer tour of duty in Afghanistan when he was arrested. Now, he said the military has put his deployment on hold.

He faces 20 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Haab's father, Dave, of New Paris, Ind., said he was torn between hiring a lawyer and bailing his son out of jail. He said he is grateful for the support.

"I think he has been maligned," the elder Haab said. "There is a lot of stuff in (news) reports about Patrick being a vigilante. He's not. He was trying to do what is right."

Dave said his son, who has acknowledged taking drugs to fight depression since the death of a friend in a bombing, acted with a clear head and did not use excessive force.

He said the family is building a Web site to keep supporters informed about the case and provide details for donations to Haab's defense. The address is www. k9mc.com.

"We've had offers of support from D.C. to Los Angeles," Dave said. "And if there is any money left over, we're not going to keep it. . . . It is going to go to another person caught in a similar situation."
 
It should be mandatory that citzens have to make an arest when they safely can. I made a citzen arest on a hit an run drunk driver an the cops were way cool .I even forced him to get in my car! Its scarry to think of the charges I could of faced for doing the the right thing!
PS I DID not use a gun
 
Arpaio has said repeatedly that Haab's story doesn't make sense and has noted several contradictions. Among those: Haab's claim that he was being attacked even though none of the men made aggressive moves; Haab's claim that he was afraid for his life even though he followed the men to their car; Haab's claim that he did not know the men were undocumented immigrants though he later said he believed they thought he was a Border Patrol agent.

this is a pretty tricky situaton.
i have "arrested" burglars myself (well one of the two incidents, one escaped).

seems like with the growing problem, we need a legal method for dealing with illegals. besides illegal presence isnt going to be thought of the same by most as say a robber, the way this guy was almost "hunting" for illegals, then uses a gun in public, legally questionable at best, its a tough one.


i know most THR people would prefer we all be allowed to open carry and deal with these situatiuons armed, but think if all the fools from some of the
"gangsta at the range" threads were allowed to go out and "hunt" illegals?

hmmmm. maybe not he best idea?
 
...but think if all the fools from some of the "gangsta at the range" threads were allowed to go out and "hunt" illegals?
I think those sorts of things tend to be self regulating. Those people would rather sit around and drink than go do anything remotely useful.
Sure, they might get it in their head to go "hunt illegals", but they might very well get that in their head anyways.
 
Soldier overwhelmed by support

Quote: " Arpaio has said that Haab's actions were illegal and dangerous and he had no right to take the law into his own hands."

Now coming from this Sheriffs mouth, why does that not surprise me? I mean this character (Arpaio) doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation. I believe my reaction to Haaab's actions are that I would have done the exact same thing. :fire: :fire:
 
He said his military training took over when the seven men "rushed" him out of the darkness at the rest area, where he had stopped to relieve his dog.

And exactly what military training was that? If his "military training" kicked in then there would be seven dead bad guys after they "rushed" him. This could be explained as an act of self-defense.

He explained this week that the men climbed inside a Chevrolet Suburban when they saw his gun and he followed them to the SUV, took the vehicle keys and forced them out.

So the reason he followed them to their vehicle is.....??????? He was in fear for his life? And what if one of those men feared for their life, then what? There was no act of self defense, if there was it was over when the "rushing" stopped and they went to their vehicle.

So now its okay to make a citizens arrest for anyone that looks like or might be an illegal alien?? What are you going to do, ask them for their papers??
 
And exactly what military training was that? If his "military training" kicked in then there would be seven dead bad guys after they "rushed" him. This could be explained as an act of self-defense.
I have to agree with Steve.

















He should have killed them all.
 
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